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07-07-2010 , 02:41 PM
u really think that im ever going to accept that i failed... no chance... i am not a loser... i am and have always been a winner... there is just no doubt in my mind that i will win and i will suceed even if it kills me.... thats it... could care less about what u post about me... i know if i just final tabled 1/10th of my final table bubbles or sunday million deep runs my graph would be the complete opposite... mark my words... i will not ****ing fail... i put way too much work into my game and fixing leaks.. i consistently win chips without showdown.. i consistantly have a positive bb x/100 win rate... i consistantly am on the opposite end of variance losing more chips then im expected to win... obviously all the late game coolers have o eventually go in my direction... again i will not fail.. i am and have always been determined to be the best and ultimatley leading to me winning whatever it is i choose to do... and ive overcome greater obstacles in my life before... i will suceed if it ****in kills me
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07-07-2010 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
u really think that im ever going to accept that i failed... no chance... i am not a loser... i am and have always been a winner... there is just no doubt in my mind that i will win and i will suceed even if it kills me.... thats it... could care less about what u post about me... i know if i just final tabled 1/10th of my final table bubbles or sunday million deep runs my graph would be the complete opposite... mark my words... i will not ****ing fail... i put way too much work into my game and fixing leaks.. i consistently win chips without showdown.. i consistantly have a positive bb x/100 win rate... i consistantly am on the opposite end of variance losing more chips then im expected to win... obviously all the late game coolers have o eventually go in my direction... again i will not fail.. i am and have always been determined to be the best and ultimatley leading to me winning whatever it is i choose to do... and ive overcome greater obstacles in my life before... i will suceed if it ****in kills me
Determination is great, but maybe you should drop down in stakes and start working your way back up. Be determined, but don't be stupid about it!
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07-07-2010 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Determination is great, but maybe you should drop down in stakes and start working your way back up. Be determined, but don't be stupid about it!
you couldnt be more right and for more reasons then you think... see i have this thing called pride that gets in my way and i should have known when i met a guy who railed my final table at a circuit event and later became somewhat friends and he happens to stake a dozen or so horses... he told me straight up i should not be playing anything over the 55 fo level as he said the higher levels are very hard to beat and after filtering my results by buy in, he was absoulutley right, I can see that all of my wins or major cashes came in the mid to lower stakes and in the nhg and sunday majors i am losing at a very high rate... he basically even offered me staking if i would cut out the higher buy ins... but my pride gets in the way and i keep telling myself I can ship a sun major... unfortunatley in the past 6 or 7 weekends ive had 2 very deep runs coming in at top 10 in chips with 100 left out of 9k fields not once but twice and both times loosing a flip or 60/40 to bust in a miseralbe 70th to 89th place finishes... ive also final tabled the nightly hundred grand 4 times with 5th being my best finish... so its not like i wouldnt be positive if I just closed out one here or there...


ok ok i just put restrictions on my tournament buy in of no more then 99 dollars... so the only way i can play a major is if i buy in with fpps or satty in.. hopefully this is a start to getting my pride and ego in check.
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07-07-2010 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Determination is great, but maybe you should drop down in stakes and start working your way back up. Be determined, but don't be stupid about it!
You know I generally like your posts Arouet, but this is some of the worst advice that could ever be given to a guy like this, even though I know it sounded correct when you wrote it.

See that anger response he had - extremely typical of a seriously hard core degen gambler who always thinks he was just one lucky hit away from "making it" even after several thousand games of really, really, really bad results.


Imagine if you were giving advice to a person who was playing the lottery with money they could not afford to spend. Would you praise their determination and suggest they keep that and that they should just buy a couple less tickets a week?

This guy's "determination" will eventually leave him completely broke and likely less than broke and then his options become quite a bit more limited.

He is in no mental shape to take genuine advice now, and it is an energy drain to do so, especially those who actually know him, much less so for strangers who can just choose to not click a thread after a while. Have to let him hit bottom then he can decide for himself what he should do next.


Think I will just stick to the whiny paranoid guys who say big stacks win too much in future. Or the ones who say small stacks win too much...
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07-07-2010 , 03:13 PM
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07-07-2010 , 03:18 PM
and monteroy u dont even have any clue about my mtt game or my fundamentals... how do u know that it is me that is bad.... do u even have any clue about mtt play... i consider myself to be an above average mtt player with solid fundamentals and if you disagree then go ahead ask some questions or post some lines... I discuss hands on a daily basis and feel very confident in my abilities I never find myself in any stage of an mtt where i am thinking that hmmm im not sure what line to take... sure some spots are marginal and close but again i feel like i am in control and understand what actions to take and when to take them. ffs winning players im me for advice on line checks and appreciate my advice.
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07-07-2010 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You know I generally like your posts Arouet, but this is some of the worst advice that could ever be given to a guy like this, even though I know it sounded correct when you wrote it.

See that anger response he had - extremely typical of a seriously hard core degen gambler who always thinks he was just one lucky hit away from "making it" even after several thousand games of really, really, really bad results.


Imagine if you were giving advice to a person who was playing the lottery with money they could not afford to spend. Would you praise their determination and suggest they keep that and that they should just buy a couple less tickets a week?

This guy's "determination" will eventually leave him completely broke and likely less than broke and then his options become quite a bit more limited.

He is in no mental shape to take genuine advice now, and it is an energy drain to do so, especially those who actually know him, much less so for strangers who can just choose to not click a thread after a while. Have to let him hit bottom then he can decide for himself what he should do next.


Think I will just stick to the whiny paranoid guys who say big stacks win too much in future. Or the ones who say small stacks win too much...
Maybe he should quit for awhile- but he's not going to. So given that, he should at least try and contain the damage. And it looks like he is (though why cap it at $99 Yarbles? Start at low stakes, when you're sure you can beat that level, move up, one level at a time.

But Yarbles: honestly, when it comes to poker advice: take Monteroy's over mine, any day of the week!

I've only ever been a casual player, but I understood when I shouldn't have been playing. I went through a period of high stress in my life, with wife/kids/babbies/work/I was exhausted all the time and I knew that I was not in the mental place to play: so I stopped for a good while, then have started coming back. Now I'm starting from scratch. re-learning the lessons I had learned years ago. Going back to the begining.

Yarbles, as Monteroy has suggested, you really do need to stop, and reboot. Failing that, play as low as possible! Start over! Find a level you can beat: whatever you make it will be more than you're making now (which is nothing!).
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07-07-2010 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
and monteroy u dont even have any clue about my mtt game or my fundamentals... how do u know that it is me that is bad.... do u even have any clue about mtt play... i consider myself to be an above average mtt player with solid fundamentals and if you disagree then go ahead ask some questions or post some lines... I discuss hands on a daily basis and feel very confident in my abilities I never find myself in any stage of an mtt where i am thinking that hmmm im not sure what line to take... sure some spots are marginal and close but again i feel like i am in control and understand what actions to take and when to take them. ffs winning players im me for advice on line checks and appreciate my advice.
The poker world is filled with people who are in love with their belief in their solid play. Many of them are now part of the new generation of donks who do not realize the game has passed them by.

That's not really the issue here, and since you will play regardless what I would at least suggest to you is the following:

- Stop posting here. You are not a genuine riggie and this thread will not be of any use to you, not even entertainment value.

- Stop lying to others and yourself about your results. Talking the $5 rebuy that you went deep in only while ignoring all the other MTTs when talking about your game and results will not fool anyone. You said you have made a ton lately after making big stack adjustments (whatever you meant by that silliness). You have not. I posted your results for 1, 3, 6 and 12 months. Stop lying.

- Somehow remove more of the emotion and silly pride from your game. Poker is about money.


I still maintain the best advice is that you take a break for some weeks or a month (actually permanent break).
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07-07-2010 , 03:38 PM
The thing is that in mtt's there is no level to beat, every single mtt up to 40$ is basicly the same. You will still have to face about the same ammount of flips in every one of them and losing flips or 60/40's doesn't make you worse or better player. It is the nature of a game and everyone can't be a winner. Last year i was playing hard and alot of micro limit mtt's hoping to hit and have a signifigant roll (which doesn't helped me either), so i just keeped bumbing into a wall losing hands like 77 vs 85o, when ****er calls my ai with that **** for his 25bb stack after a bad beat and sucks out on the river. You can have all the skill in the world, but you need to be an insane luckbox to beat mmt's online, even if you get your money while you are ahead 100% of the time.
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07-07-2010 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
i know if i just final tabled 1/10th of my final table bubbles or sunday million deep runs my graph would be the complete opposite...
And if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.
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07-07-2010 , 05:11 PM
You know who else thinks he's a good, solid, above average player who would be a success if not for his bad luck?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...ks-itt-286949/
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07-07-2010 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TheRealIABoomer
You know who else thinks he's a good, solid, above average player who would be a success if not for his bad luck?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...ks-itt-286949/
after reading the first couple of posts its very obvious he has 0 fundamentals in the mtt game and clearly a bad player... if any mtt players wants to cherry pick any mtt ive played ill be more then happyto show my hh's i am very confident i am playing at a higher level then even good regs... i would like to think that my mind is up there with some of the greats like moorman and elky i feel i am clearly ahead of the curve. by the way anybody looking for coaching... i will provide at a small hourly fee.
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07-07-2010 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
after reading the first couple of posts its very obvious he has 0 fundamentals in the mtt game and clearly a bad player... if any mtt players wants to cherry pick any mtt ive played ill be more then happyto show my hh's i am very confident i am playing at a higher level then even good regs... i would like to think that my mind is up there with some of the greats like moorman and elky i feel i am clearly ahead of the curve. by the way anybody looking for coaching... i will provide at a small hourly fee.
So you're now coming clean as a comedian?
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07-07-2010 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
ive had 2 very deep runs coming in at top 10 in chips with 100 left out of 9k fields not once but twice and both times loosing a flip or 60/40 to bust in a miseralbe 70th to 89th place finishes...
If you had so many chips I thought according to your theory you were favoured on the all ins to get the tournament over quicker? What went wrong there champ?

Or were you flipping for your whole stack with one of the few players who had more chips than you late on in the tournament, despite your theory, which you are certain is spot on?

What happened to checking your big stack theory in a little more detail after the good advice you were given about the possible errors in your filtering?
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07-07-2010 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
Does Monteroy = Wiki? Just asking.
No. Shill = Wiki.
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07-07-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatBandit
No. Shill = Wiki.
no you
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07-07-2010 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
If you had so many chips I thought according to your theory you were favoured on the all ins to get the tournament over quicker? What went wrong there champ?

Or were you flipping for your whole stack with one of the few players who had more chips than you late on in the tournament, despite your theory, which you are certain is spot on?

What happened to checking your big stack theory in a little more detail after the good advice you were given about the possible errors in your filtering?
And I double checked my stats w a Marist mathemitition.

Or u can reread my post where I specifically state I'm not folding ak 20. Bb deep
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07-07-2010 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
And I double checked my stats w a Marist mathemitition.
That's a new one. Usually the "friend" who supposedly confirms rigging is from MIT. So why not have your friend come on here to discuss his findings?
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07-07-2010 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I riggie select better than Arouet :P. He gets sucked in for long periods of times by obvious fakes and whiners.

Yarbles is not a fake, nor is he a genuine riggie, he is a degen gambler and as much as I like to have fun with paranoid riggie non-players in this thread (where it is obvious they are winning or losing $20 or so), those I try to minimally help tend to be either people with genuine problems, or those who are clearly actual players that just need to avoid riggies and their silly beliefs as much as possible and concentrate instead on playing a nice clean game vs droolers.

You will never see me trying to help gimmicks like INSANE DONK ever, I rarely acknowledge them other than maybe a quick snarky post or two.

Riggie selection is the key!
I see what you mean. When you pick [on] someone to respond to, you're more likely to help someone who you think actually plays. Not a bad idea really if you're going to waste your time. At least pick someone with the potential (albeit hidden) to actually use your advice because they are actually playing.

I agree that there are a lot of people in this thread who don't come off as real players. At least you know, by the way they post, they aren't playing regularly or they're lying about the volume, stakes, etc they claim to be playing at.

(Hard to type coherently when you're wasted. But at least I understood you)


Anyway, I'll be returning to playin poker (regularly) in the upcoming month or so. It's been a terrible last couple of months for me.. I could go back farther, but let's just say this last year has been epicly horrific and just ****ty for me! Hopefully being able to focus on the game again will help me take my mind off of things. I hope so. It used to.

Btw, the guy who sprays my house for bugs told me today that he plays poker. When I asked him if he plays online he went into this weird rant about how he lost all this money online.. then later, right before he left, he says "Oh I would never put any real money online." Ummm, so you lost lots of play money?? Or
Spoiler:
you just lied about the whole thing lol
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07-08-2010 , 02:27 AM
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The poker world is filled with people who are in love with their belief in their solid play
Yea including you, have you read your posts, jesus you couldn't be more pompous if you tried. Must be that your a coach with Collin now. Should we all kiss your ring now?
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07-08-2010 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatBandit
No. Shill = Wiki.
Yeah, so keep posing.

We only get paid per reply.
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07-08-2010 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Yea including you, have you read your posts, jesus you couldn't be more pompous if you tried. Must be that your a coach with Collin now. Should we all kiss your ring now?
On the contrary, I can always be more pompous when I try, and ironically I have been called the "DoNfather" a number of times so if kissing jewelery is what you like to do then go for it.

I am a bit disappointed with your current tone. I know I have not given you much attention lately, but I don't like my bitches to be whiny and jealous as that looks bad on their owner (me).

I assure you that while others have come and gone that you are still my original bitch here, and I hope this quick reply will help get you back to your micro-stake donk, racist , xenophobic view of life we have all come to appreciate from your angry little posts.

You still have to learn how to quote people properly. Seriously, you look really stupid with that lack of skill by this point. At least when Wiki/qpw3 misquotes people he does it on purpose...

All the best.
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07-08-2010 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
At least when Wiki/qpw3 misquotes people he's absolutely awesome ...
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07-08-2010 , 09:52 AM
guys i just want to add that i totally owned my club game and played from 3pm to 1:30am in the morning and crushed it 2/5 nl game that plays like 5/10... when i tell u i had total control and got max value and minimum loss on coolers.. kks mucked on 775 flop not even losing a cbet... just str8 check mucked.. 1 guy had pocket 5s other a7.. I just never felt more in control... i just knew there was no way i was stacking off my 300 bb stack unless somehow got it all in pre with aces or kings... I made an amazing 80bb hero call when a guy shoves on a turn of k64q board with pocket 8s and he turns up ace rag and i hold... and this guy would check and slowplay his monsters and use pot control on his marginal hands... and his draws and air balls he would pot and double and triple barrell strong... owned.
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07-08-2010 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
guys i just want to add that i totally owned my club game and played from 3pm to 1:30am in the morning and crushed it 2/5 nl game that plays like 5/10... when i tell u i had total control and got max value and minimum loss on coolers.. kks mucked on 775 flop not even losing a cbet... just str8 check mucked.. 1 guy had pocket 5s other a7.. I just never felt more in control... i just knew there was no way i was stacking off my 300 bb stack unless somehow got it all in pre with aces or kings... I made an amazing 80bb hero call when a guy shoves on a turn of k64q board with pocket 8s and he turns up ace rag and i hold... and this guy would check and slowplay his monsters and use pot control on his marginal hands... and his draws and air balls he would pot and double and triple barrell strong... owned.
Of course.
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