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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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07-07-2010 , 03:18 AM
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07-07-2010 , 03:19 AM
haha yet another final table bubble in a 2800 field mtt 1st close to 5 figs happening every night now..
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07-07-2010 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
haha yet another final table bubble in a 2800 field mtt 1st close to 5 figs happening every night now..
Given this post and the previous one crowing about your success now I'm sure you won't mind sharing the screenname for some ptr'ing right?

I mean I can understand people coming here with no proof or evidence for their accussations of the sites cheating but there should be no need to hide your proof that your new system is showing results and you are beating the rigging.....right?
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07-07-2010 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Knytestorme
Given this post and the previous one crowing about your success now I'm sure you won't mind sharing the screenname for some ptr'ing right?

I mean I can understand people coming here with no proof or evidence for their accussations of the sites cheating but there should be no need to hide your proof that your new system is showing results and you are beating the rigging.....right?
Any one who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.


my proof is in my stats no need to disclose my name... i know i win tons more when i have more chips vs when i have less chips... now this doesnt mean im gonna fold aq and ak cause the bb has me covered... no but im gonna do my best to make hero calls when i have more chips... and the stats dont lie myfriend...
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07-07-2010 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
Any one who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.


my proof is in my stats no need to disclose my name... i know i win tons more when i have more chips vs when i have less chips... now this doesnt mean im gonna fold aq and ak cause the bb has me covered... no but im gonna do my best to make hero calls when i have more chips... and the stats dont lie myfriend...
But you have shown no stats, hence no proof.

And no, anecdotle "I'm doing this" is neither stats nor proof. Either give up some checkable username or a screenshot of an un-cherrypicked hem/pt3 screen for the past month.

If neither of those options are suitable to you then sadly you're no different to Fatetopretend, banonlinepoker, pooflinger et al. but I'm sure you don't care and you'll just keep coming here spouting on about how well you are winning now and keep showing as much proof/evidence as you and others have shown in regards to the games being rigged.
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07-07-2010 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
Any one who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.
Actually, for anyone who really understands the arithmetical generation of random numbers and how they relate to a poker deal, such a method of generating the deal would be completely satisfactory.

This would be so even without the use of stochastic real time data to change the seed.

The use of hardware RNG's is just a sop to people who know nothing about RNG's, have been told that they're not really random, and have no idea how to apply that factoid to a poker deal.
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07-07-2010 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
Any one who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.


my proof is in my stats no need to disclose my name... i know i win tons more when i have more chips vs when i have less chips... now this doesnt mean im gonna fold aq and ak cause the bb has me covered... no but im gonna do my best to make hero calls when i have more chips... and the stats dont lie myfriend...

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Originally Posted by Yarbles
haha yet another final table bubble in a 2800 field mtt 1st close to 5 figs happening every night now..
Sigh, I assume you are saying this as proof that your playing based on chip size pattern beliefs or something nets good results, and yes the stats of the results do not lie when researched. People lie.

In your case if one sharkscopes you for the past 16 hous, you do have the finish you are talking about for a net win of $330 or so in that specific tournament.

Of course what you left out are your results in all your other MTTs you played yesterday of which even including that deep finish $300ish win your stats were the following:

44 MTTs played
average stake $26
ROI -36%
and -$584 in losses


You can lie to us as long as you like, people lie all the time, but eventually you will have to stop fooling yourself when you have no money left.

Seriously, and I mean this very seriously, stop playing poker for now, even if you take a 2 week "break" and talk to some experts about gambling addiction and then after the 2 week "break" you will have a clearer mind as to what you should do in the future.
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07-07-2010 , 08:23 AM
Monteroy, for someone who dogs Arouet (and the other "shills") for helping out the riggies and wasting their time, etc etc etc, you sure do spend some time trying to help out a few of them yourself (itt).

Just sayin
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07-07-2010 , 08:25 AM
If it's full tilt where yarbless is playing no wonder he is losing, I know tens of players that are really successfull everywhere exept full tilt... Switch to stars.
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07-07-2010 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
Monteroy, for someone who dogs Arouet (and the other "shills") for helping out the riggies and wasting their time, etc etc etc, you sure do spend some time trying to help out a few of them yourself (itt).

Just sayin
I riggie select better than Arouet :P. He gets sucked in for long periods of times by obvious fakes and whiners.

Yarbles is not a fake, nor is he a genuine riggie, he is a degen gambler and as much as I like to have fun with paranoid riggie non-players in this thread (where it is obvious they are winning or losing $20 or so), those I try to minimally help tend to be either people with genuine problems, or those who are clearly actual players that just need to avoid riggies and their silly beliefs as much as possible and concentrate instead on playing a nice clean game vs droolers.

You will never see me trying to help gimmicks like INSANE DONK ever, I rarely acknowledge them other than maybe a quick snarky post or two.

Riggie selection is the key!
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07-07-2010 , 08:44 AM
lmfao, riggie selection ftw. What should be average post/day preflop ratio to know if it's worth helping a riggie or not ?
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07-07-2010 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
If it's full tilt where yarbless is playing no wonder he is losing, I know tens of players that are really successfull everywhere exept full tilt... Switch to stars.
Yup.

Everyone loses of FT.

It may contradict the laws of maths but FT have done it!
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07-07-2010 , 09:10 AM
Not everyone, I have a friend that opened an account, deposited, entered 6 mtt's final tabled 4. 2 - 2nd, 1- 4th, and 6th or 6th. And within 2K games he was up like 80K .

As i mentioned in my previuos post i just can't win there, but i am not losing either. I am just breaking even. I run good for 500 games, where it looks normal and i get around 15% ROI, then 300 games with -60% ROI where i can't win a single hand and those that i win are at the begining of a mtsng.

I don't say it's rigged, but i think it is very strange. Durrrr is another phenomena.
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07-07-2010 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
I don't say it's rigged, but i think it is very strange. Durrrr is another phenomena.
Durrrr was already playing highish stakes when FTP opened up.
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07-07-2010 , 12:17 PM
Does Monteroy = Wiki? Just asking.
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07-07-2010 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
Does Monteroy = Wiki? Just asking.
No.
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07-07-2010 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
No.
Thanks, KOF.
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07-07-2010 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Durrrr was already playing highish stakes when FTP opened up.
Since it's too late to edit, I'll FYP my own post: durrrr started a few months before FTP, so he probably wasn't playing too huge in the few months between starting to play and FTP opening up. He didn't start on FTP though, which was my main point.
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07-07-2010 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Sigh, I assume you are saying this as proof that your playing based on chip size pattern beliefs or something nets good results, and yes the stats of the results do not lie when researched. People lie.

In your case if one sharkscopes you for the past 16 hous, you do have the finish you are talking about for a net win of $330 or so in that specific tournament.

Of course what you left out are your results in all your other MTTs you played yesterday of which even including that deep finish $300ish win your stats were the following:

44 MTTs played
average stake $26
ROI -36%
and -$584 in losses


You can lie to us as long as you like, people lie all the time, but eventually you will have to stop fooling yourself when you have no money left.

Seriously, and I mean this very seriously, stop playing poker for now, even if you take a 2 week "break" and talk to some experts about gambling addiction and then after the 2 week "break" you will have a clearer mind as to what you should do in the future.
since when are 180 mans considered mtts... and overall i have about 30 percent roi in 180 mans and its not unheard of to go 40 50 buy ins without a cash in them.. plus it was hyper night.... just look at mtt runs the past 7 days.. and u will see a pattern of consistent deep runs...
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07-07-2010 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
since when are 180 mans considered mtts...
since they started using 20 tables to seat all the players.
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07-07-2010 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
since they started using 20 tables to seat all the players.
Yeah, don't you miss those good old days of the long tables?
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07-07-2010 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
a shill in this thread is worse then the gum on the botom of my shoe i would say they are the dirt on the gum.
Don't be too hard on yourself. Everyone's gotta make a living, and if Focus On The Family is paying you well, then all the power to you.

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Originally Posted by SMpro
turn the poll into is POKERSTARS rigged. and u ll get 90% YES.
No, we wouldn't.
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07-07-2010 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
since they started using 20 tables to seat all the players.
pretty sure they havent moved these to the tournament tabl... yup still under mts
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07-07-2010 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
since when are 180 mans considered mtts... and overall i have about 30 percent roi in 180 mans and its not unheard of to go 40 50 buy ins without a cash in them.. plus it was hyper night.... just look at mtt runs the past 7 days.. and u will see a pattern of consistent deep runs...
Dude, what do you want me to say exactly. I checked sharkscope for all games, so it would include every game you played that they track.


Your stats are using sharkscope for all games played:

Past month: 860 games -$4559 losses

Past 3 months: 3075 games - $11,399 losses

Past 6 months: 4,440 games -$25,400 losses

Past 1 year: 5,551 games -$24,528 in losses


Your year graph is basically a downward steep diagonal line with 2-3 big score spikes, not the dripping down with a lot of spikes graphs better MTT players have for their graph.


You should not be playing poker. It is not because it was hyper night or it was raining or it was because of Lizard Men manipulating deals in secret ways or anything else.

YOU should not be playing poker, and I am not saying this as a means to insult you either, as I actually found your back story you posted a while ago to be more interesting than you expected, which is probably why I keep at this when I should know better.

Anyway, as I said I will not reveal your screen name unless you choose, but your stats and graph can't be explained away due to variance or bad luck or rigging or moon alignment or "hyper night" anything else. It's you as a player.


Take a 2 week break and speak to the people I mentioned before, then go from there.
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07-07-2010 , 02:14 PM
SnG's and MTT's are not mutually exclusive. Both are tournaments. A SnG is any tournament that is unscheduled and begins when enough sign up. It can obviously be an MTT SnG, or a STT SnG.
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