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06-24-2010 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
until you prove you aren't running the thread I'm going on the assumption you are.
Well can you at least arrange for my name to be green so that I have some chance?
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06-24-2010 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
no, I don't. but I don't assume they all are dishonest either. and I certainly don't go around accusing them of wrong-doing without evidence. that's illegal.

to quote a pal o' mine...



is that some sort of insult or comeback or something?

put your helmet back on and back away from the keyboard quietly so your parents don't put you back in your cage.
LoL
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06-24-2010 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Nobody has ever proven even theoretically how rigging the deal can make a site significantly more money. Lots of ideas have been refuted because they don't work, and a few well-thought-out ones by non-riggies have described ways that could make a site a *little* more money but wouldn't be worth the risk to their long term success.

Please show us how they make more money. And before you give a standard reaction like "more action means more rake", think more about it, as that one in particular, like many other rigged ideas, is just plain false. A site only makes more rake by having more players in seats on a 24/7 averaged basis. There is no other way. So how do you rig it to accomplish that?

PS - I realize you pointed out that you doubt there is rigging. I just used your post to make these points because you said it makes them more money, as if that were a given.


I was thinking about this more last night spadebidder and I think as well as encouraging bad players to keep playing, sites can make more by making the game more exciting.

We all enjoy the buzz of seeing flushes, full houses, high pairs in our hand, etc, rather than being dealt bad hands and having hands won with high cards. That is more likely to make us come back for more.

Again, I'm not suggesting this is what happens, just saying this is another way of increasing profits.
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06-24-2010 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
I was thinking about this more last night spadebidder and I think as well as encouraging bad players to keep playing, sites can make more by making the game more exciting.

We all enjoy the buzz of seeing flushes, full houses, high pairs in our hand, etc, rather than being dealt bad hands and having hands won with high cards. That is more likely to make us come back for more.
And all these things would be trivially easy to detect with even the most superficial analysis.

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Again, I'm not suggesting this is what happens, just saying this is another way of increasing profits.
You could be making ends meet by shoplifting from your local supermarket. Again, I'm not suggesting this is what happens, just saying this is another way for you to make ends meet.
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06-24-2010 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
You could be making ends meet by shoplifting from your local supermarket. Again, I'm not suggesting this is what happens, just saying this is another way for you to make ends meet.
I think this analogy is going over his head.

For the record, It amuses me.
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06-24-2010 , 10:22 AM
[QUOTE=Wiki;19797585]And all these things would be trivially easy to detect with even the most superficial analysis.


I'm sure they probably would, (although maybe not that easy as we can't regularly see other players' cards), but spadebidder merely asked for possible ways sites could increase profits, regardless of whether they'd be easy to detect or not.
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06-24-2010 , 10:25 AM
You could be making ends meet by shoplifting from your local supermarket. Again, I'm not suggesting this is what happens, just saying this is another way for you to make ends meet.[/QUOTE]


Wiki, I am always adult and respectful when replying to you or anyone else. Please treat me and others in the same way.

I was answering a question with a relevant response in a forum about internet poker. Your childish, continual use of variations of this same analogy as an answer to everything, is unnecessary and irrelevant. Show a bit of respect for the other people who are posting here.
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06-24-2010 , 10:32 AM
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Wiki, I am always adult and respectful when replying to you or anyone else. Please treat me and others in the same way.
You are not always adult. You are like a whiny, mewling child that just won't shut up.

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Your childish, continual use of variations of this same analogy as an answer to everything, is unnecessary and irrelevant.
It's necessary because you seem incapable of understanding that your never ending whine of "I'm not saying it's rigged but I think that needs to be demonstrated" (and similar variations) is a tactic that people have been using to snidely point the finger at others without having the guts to make an outright accusation for as long as people have been using language.

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Show a bit of respect for the other people who are posting here.
If you show some respect for others here by stopping your wittering and whining on and on and on and on about something that cannot possibly be resolved in this thread there will be no need to keep trying different analogies to get the unfairness of what you are doing into your head.
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06-24-2010 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Show a bit of respect for the other people who are posting here.
why would we respect a guy who failed at quoting two posts in a row?

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06-24-2010 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
why would we respect a guy who failed at quoting two posts in a row?

You beat me to it.
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06-24-2010 , 10:35 AM
what can I say? when I'm on, I'm ON

Spoiler:
mother****ers
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06-24-2010 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc

"What is oozing out of our ground that allows this type of effect to happen?"

That's just incredible. Illustrates this thread perfectly. A++
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06-24-2010 , 10:46 AM
She sounds serious, doesn't she?


Also related:

Dinosaur Conspiracy
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Comment: Dear Sirs: I wonder if you have been asked to analyze or review
reports about there still being live dinosaurs in the world. I am an
amateur cryptozoologist, and a creationist, and so I believe that the
world is only 10,000 years old, not billions, and accordingly, dinosaurs
did not live that long ago, and some may still be alive.

The web site genesispark provides various examples of recent sightings of
various dinosaurs around the world. I myself met a man in Ottawa Ontario
where I live who claims he was posted to a remote location in Papua New
Guinea with a US aid organization and while hiking down to the coast saw a
live "apparent" Triceratops cross his path. I am trying desperately to
relocate this man because of the significance of what he claims he saw.
He was not a "creationist".

Missionaries have been reporting sightings of live Pteradactyls and
Pterasaurs in Papua New Guinea for some time now, but sadly with no
pictures
.
(sound familiar?) But as I say to people, if you can't believe that a Christian Missionary is telling the truth, then who can you believe?

There are also many alleged sightings of live Sauropods by the pygmies in
a 10 million hectare inhospitable swamp bordering the Congo and Cameroon.

Anyways, this is the stuff of Urban Legends, except that it has not
reached that status. Or has it? Is it possible that this subject is so
contentious that you may know about these stories but not post them for
fear of angering the evolutionists, who positively hate creationists?

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06-24-2010 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
She sounds serious, doesn't she?
If she will keep burying pots of gold in her back garden, what the hell does she expect?

Sheesh!
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06-24-2010 , 10:55 AM
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06-24-2010 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
That's so sad.

Life was sure rigged against the dinosaurs.
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06-24-2010 , 11:04 AM
Noah was the first superuser.
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06-24-2010 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
Noah was the first superuser.
S'true.

And, wouldn't you know it, the Sodom and Gomorrah Gaming commission (SGGC) wouldn't do a thing about it.

That resulted in some serious smiting, I can tell you.
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06-24-2010 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
And, wouldn't you know it, the Sodom and Gomorrah Gaming commission (SGGC) wouldn't do a thing about it.

That resulted in some serious smiting, I can tell you.
I'm not saying FatedToPretend is a shill for them and his posts aren't part of an elaborate scheme to take over policing of the Online Gaming industry, but shouldn't he have to prove he's not before we stop believing that's exactly who he is and what he's up to?
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06-24-2010 , 11:17 AM
Damn, being new to these forums I promised myself I wouldn't get involved in this nonsense , but every time I need a laugh at work and read the latest mad rantings I just keep getting the urge to post, so here goes.

My easy answer to the poker is rigged debate

The players claiming that it's rigged are pretty much all losing players, not because they aren't as good at poker as they think they are, but because the site's conspire against them to ensure that they keep losing to worse players because blah blah balh........

Simple solution, if you are certain that internet poker is rigged, ask if one of the winning players on these forums will play on your log in for you, they could even do it remotely on your pc using team viewer or some such. As obviously online poker is rigged they will carry on losing money, the fact that they are better players won't matter, because the sites will still rig the game against them. Unless of course it turns out that the winning players can still be winning players, even when playing using a doomswitched account!!

Of course this won't happen, partly because it is against the T&C of all the sites to allow someone else to play using your account, but I suspect the main reason it won't happen is because the 'online poker is rigged' crowd would not really want to face the reality that they aren't as good at poker as they think they are!!

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06-24-2010 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
I'm not saying FatedToPretend is a shill for them and his posts aren't part of an elaborate scheme to take over policing of the Online Gaming industry, but shouldn't he have to prove he's not before we stop believing that's exactly who he is and what he's up to?
I think it certainly warrants some adult discussion.
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06-24-2010 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
I think it certainly warrants some adult discussion.
We'd be FOOLS NOT to ASK the QUESTIONS
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06-24-2010 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
why would we respect a guy who failed at quoting two posts in a row?



I clicked 'quote,' typed in my response and that's what it came out as. I'm not a computer expert nor someone who is experienced in the use of internet forums.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't respect me.
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06-24-2010 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
You are not always adult. You are like a whiny, mewling child that just won't shut up.



It's necessary because you seem incapable of understanding that your never ending whine of "I'm not saying it's rigged but I think that needs to be demonstrated" (and similar variations) is a tactic that people have been using to snidely point the finger at others without having the guts to make an outright accusation for as long as people have been using language.



If you show some respect for others here by stopping your wittering and whining on and on and on and on about something that cannot possibly be resolved in this thread there will be no need to keep trying different analogies to get the unfairness of what you are doing into your head.


I'm not whining about anything, believe me. I'm looking for statistical evidence regarding the dealing on internet poker sites and this is the correct place to do that.

You're right, I'm not saying it's 'rigged,' I'm not saying anything until I see evidence either way.

There's no unfairness in what I'm doing at all. The sites agree with me that they have to prove the legitimacy of their dealing.
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06-24-2010 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenaholic
Damn, being new to these forums I promised myself I wouldn't get involved in this nonsense , but every time I need a laugh at work and read the latest mad rantings I just keep getting the urge to post, so here goes.

My easy answer to the poker is rigged debate

The players claiming that it's rigged are pretty much all losing players, not because they aren't as good at poker as they think they are, but because the site's conspire against them to ensure that they keep losing to worse players because blah blah balh........

Simple solution, if you are certain that internet poker is rigged, ask if one of the winning players on these forums will play on your log in for you, they could even do it remotely on your pc using team viewer or some such. As obviously online poker is rigged they will carry on losing money, the fact that they are better players won't matter, because the sites will still rig the game against them. Unless of course it turns out that the winning players can still be winning players, even when playing using a doomswitched account!!

Of course this won't happen, partly because it is against the T&C of all the sites to allow someone else to play using your account, but I suspect the main reason it won't happen is because the 'online poker is rigged' crowd would not really want to face the reality that they aren't as good at poker as they think they are!!
Winning and loosing have nothing to do with a rigged deck. There is no doubt that a bit skill is involved and that players make money with poker.

So far noone proofed that the deck is rigged..but OK they catched a few of the cheaters.

For myself its only proofed that poker is not profitable enough for me...and so i reduced my play.
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