This thread explains it.

It s not so funny I just busted my roll because of hands like these. maybe they dont appreciate RB deals anymore..

ZoMG! Obv rigged, contact supportaments!

I saw Calvin Ayre today and he told me all about his convoluted plot to steal some dude named Dan's whole $50 roll, now it all makes sense!

you re right these hands make perfect sense. and their algorithm is flawless

When did I say that? I said the site is rigged and Calvin Ayre is rolling in your pennies and hoping you don't notice the obvious riggedness of his algorithm!

Some dude had a higher flush when you had a flush? NO WAAAAAAAAY! That's mathematically impossible.

This thread is also the first instance I've seen of someone hitting an 8%er after turning a pocket pair into a bluff and getting called. I don't think anyone has flopped 2 pair against AA and lost since like 1970. Undercards have also never made a straight against an overpair that flopped a set I don't think.

Contact support and the UN.

It IS funny. You REALLY need to rethink your strategy on micro stakes.

PS - you generally toss out implied odds on nano's because too many callers.

Like I said I ve played 300k hand at the micros successfully.
I ve just never seen anything like this happen REPEATEDLY over just 2 days.no need to be a smartass.

Ok here s the later half of my played hands. (6max 2nl, 100bb max buy-in)
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the first half is posted in the beginner "stat thread".
I obviously dont think I need to totally rethink my strat at the micros although there s alway room for improvement.of course
now again: I ve never seen sht like this anywhere else

Bodog needs a player store a la Stars's, in which they can offer foil hats. OP will of course be first in line for one.

thanks for your constructive reply
as you can see from my graph,I ve suffered numerous bad beats and coolers before.
I ve lost stacks to donks before.
based on my personal 300K+ hand experience, It just feels like the action inst random enough here.

sigh rigged obviously, clearly you havent played many hands to not accept bad beats happen.

Stop being results orientated and whining like a bitch

I agree with the last part.

move up to where they respect your raises. theres no money in the micros; everyones solid.

I think I've identified the problem.

thanks for the reply. Also, thanks for totally diregarding my last post about the number of hands I ve played: (obviously not results oriented)... and acting like sites have never been weird before (UB scandal) sigh

lol nh.

I am new to the forum but I have been reading 2+2 for some time now. Good job on an entertaining and informative forum. With that said I will now tell you my story.

First a little bit about me. I am a 26 year old guy, I have a PhD in physics at a top 3 university in the UK. I have been working as a financial analyst since I graduated and I play a lot of poker. I play pretty much whenever I am not playing football, at the gym, seeing my girlfriend or socialising.

I have been playing poker for the last 5 years. Some live games but mostly online cash games. I am confident that I am a good player since I have studied the game in depth and know all the angles. I know why players play hands the way they do and how to counter it at all levels up to NL600 and almost always get my money in when ahead. I am a consistent winner in live games and online I used to grind out $1000 a month playing in my spare time and usually cash out once I hit around $3k. This is mainly at 6max NL400 and NL600 and I have done this on many different sites. I have played at all of the big sites now and cashed out about $3k at each.

Now comes to the funny part, when I return to the site and make a deposit I can't win at all. If I'm all in, even if I am a 70% favourite I will lose almost every time. In addition to this I keep catching unbelievable cooler after cooler to the point where I cant win a heads up match as either I get it in as a favourite and lose or I get a sick cooler, where my flopped 2nd nuts runs into the flopped absolute nuts and again I lose. So I have no chance to even play real poker as any time I get my chips in ahead I am more likely to lose than win. This clearly makes it impossible to win.

This phenomenom has been noticed before and is often called having your account "doomswitched" but the very idea of such a thing is somehow deemed by some posters to be ludicrous. The idea that a large company would operate in a way that makes them enormous profits in an unlawful way because of a lack of proper regulations being in place is of course unprecedented. It can happen in companies like Enron, Bearings and Goldman Sacks but never at a poker site - of course that makes perfect sense.

As a typical response, I know that some of you are bound to say something along the lines of

"Over what size a hand sample?"

"Variance is a bitch"

"Over the millions of people playing the odds are that there will be someone who loses 100 races were they are ahead and you are that unlucky guy"

"Thats why its called poker"

Don't bother with these comments as I have considered all of this, but I am 99.9% sure that all that I have seen over the past few years is suspicious and beyond 'reasonable doubt'. I know my maths and I know about variance and I also can think of ways to "doomswitch" accounts in such a way that would lose the player a lot of money but be impossible to detect statistically. I can also think of numerous reasons as to why a poker site would want to do this. So before you ask why I haven't taken all of these factors in to account, dont worry as I have but I don't want to go into the details now.

The patterns I have noticed that are very suspicious include:

1. If I make a large cashout, or have made large deposits in the past and lost the site allocates you a "average roll" based on this. They know this is what you can afford to play with. In the future if you make a deposit 10% of this size they know there is more where that came from so you will lose very fast as they want you to reload asap.

2. If you make a large deposit after a cashout or losing all the money in the account and the deposit is close to your "average roll" then you will not hit bad beats quite as often as in 1. However, if you have cashed out you will be sure to lose it eventually after a run of "coolers and bad beats" - every time. If you didn't cash out but you lost at the site they may allow you to win back about as much as you have lost at the site in your last couple of deposits however soon after you will hit a run of "coolers and bad beats".

3. If you ever decide to sit with a large chunk of the money you have on a site, say 20%-100% of your money, then you will most likely lose your next all in, even if the odds are in your favour. This is the way the site gets you pumping more money into the site as they know you will deposit to "get even after your bad beat" and this is what they want.


I know that some people do win, I don't claim to have the answer for that but maybe they are the chosen lucky few who were randomly selected not to be screwed like everybody else, or some other similar explanation. Either way this is not the point. I think that the majority of players do not fall in to this category.

If anyone has noticed anything similar please post here but nothing moronic like "MY ACES WERE CRACKED BY J2o ZOMG SO RIGGED!!1111". Comments like that aren't taken seriously by anyone and I am looking at the much bigger picture here. Also before you quote particular lines in isolation, don't bother wasting my time just comment on the overall subject matter taking all things into account.

I know that it is a long post but all of this had to be said. Whether you agree or not, that's my story and I'm looking forward to hearing your opinions. As for me, you can catch me at the local live game but not online. Quite frankly, until online poker is regulated properly by external bodies I think the whole thing is a big joke and we are all the brunt of it. I will finish off by saying to you what the poker sites have indirectly been saying to us all this time - GG.


RiverGuy

before UB scandal everyone was 1000% POSITIVE that online pokers were not rigged.

and now we have Chinese DoN collusion.

bye

What does Chinese DON collusion have to do with rigtardery?

The whole world is against you.

wat

now everybody knows that online is rigged

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I stopped reading when you said you played NL400/600 and cashed out about ONE THOUSAND US DOLLARS a month.. ok right.

I'm not one for nit picking usually, but how can you work as a financial analyst and spell those two financial institutions "Bearings" and "Goldman Sacks" lol?