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Old 04-16-2009, 06:22 AM   #2201
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I was about to defend you and point out that running the hands you did might well seem spooky enough to warrant a post. I was even prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume, for the time being, that you were not one of our small band of rigtards with yet another gimmick account.

However, your observation about Rek's speed of response and the mention of defence very clearly points to you being a sock puppet from one of our current obsessives who, having no rational argument to support the idea that the site are rigging hands, resorts to futile and wholly laughable attempts to try and discredit those who do put forward rational arguments by calling them shills.



This simply indicates that you are completely clueless about hardware RNG's and the associated software that handles dealing.
I got a warning today becasue of you shill. RE my post yesterday.

You didnt tell on me did you?
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:24 AM   #2202
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I got a warning today becasue of you shill. RE my post yesterday.

You didnt tell on me did you?
Certainly not.

I don't take you seriously enough to warrant being bothered by your puerile, macho, posturing.
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:27 AM   #2203
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Alright I admit I made a mistake in my reply to Rek but his brainless post angered me.
I admit I really know nothing about RNG's, ( I think I've heard it's impossible to achieve 100% randomness) and don't think the sites are intentionally cheating anyone, but you have to admit it was a rather bizarre occurrence. I would like to know the probability. Then again I have played a lot of hands....
You must understand Bucketfoot that there are shills in these threads that will stop at nothing to defend Online Poker.

It s pointless to discuss the issue with most of them and they will insult you in the hope of upsetting you and turning your relevant points into an argument between them and yourself.

You may have just PROVEN a flaw with the RNG. Of course the shills will find an explanation for it that goes something like if you flip a coin x amount of times blah blah then EXTREMELY unlikely things like this blah blah will happen blah blah.
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:30 AM   #2204
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Certainly not.

I don't take you seriously enough to warrant being bothered by your puerile, macho, posturing.
Telltale.

I bet you were teachers little pet at school werent you. Shiny apple every day etc. Hand raised for every question.

You cant even debate without telling on somene.

"Mods please, sooperfish is saying nasty things to me, BooHoo, make it stop!"
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:34 AM   #2205
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For this to happen clearly indicates a flaw with the RNG.
It does no such thing.

Even if an RNG were to be faulty in some way it would not cause an effect like this because (apart from a number of other highly mathematical reasons) the number of hands dealt at other tables effectively adds yet another level of randomisation that would only be defeatable if you could control the time taken by a few hundred/thousand other players to play their hands.
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:37 AM   #2206
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Telltale.

I bet you were teachers little pet at school werent you. Shiny apple every day etc. Hand raised for every question.

You cant even debate without telling on somene.

"Mods please, sooperfish is saying nasty things to me, BooHoo, make it stop!"
ROFLMAO!

And the evidence for this rather fanciful assertion is no doubt of the same quality as your evidence for OLP being rigged.
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:45 AM   #2207
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I got a warning today becasue of you shill. RE my post yesterday.

You didnt tell on me did you?
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Telltale
If you must know, it was me. Some posts are unacceptable.
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:48 AM   #2208
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Deja Vu

I play mostly Omaha hi/low and always thought it funny how I would be dealt the same hand at multiple tables. Surely this will happen in random deals as well, but often times the cards are the same suit or even in the same order.

So i didn't really think anything was too strange about me seeing A267 on 2 different tables simultaneously. That is until i decided to play it aggressively and both times lost a showdown to AhAcJ4. THE ACES WERE THE SAME SUIT EVEN!

I can understand having the same hand at multiple tables but c'mon now what are the chances that within a span of 20 seconds my A267 loses to AAJ4 twice. The funniest part is that both times villain made the nuts.

I know some of you will laugh this off and say a couple hands means nothing but I was really spooked out by what happened, enough so to start an account here, and I legitimately think I may have stumbled upon something.

Next time you are multitabling and you get dealt the same hand try to get to a showdown to see if your opponents show you the same hand. Just a hunch.

PokerStars Game #27144826208: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2009/04/16 4:16:08 ET
Table 'Unukalhai II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: uwilgetbroke ($44.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Phunbaba23 ($24.35 in chips)
Seat 3: BruceLi ($14.25 in chips)
Seat 4: peky1 ($7.20 in chips)
Seat 5: sevup ($58.20 in chips)
Seat 6: mondo nutz ($39.05 in chips)
Seat 7: tacksamkt ($9.60 in chips)
Seat 8: Suicidalik ($24 in chips)
Seat 9: singerboy1 ($47.60 in chips)
mondo nutz: posts small blind $0.25
tacksamkt: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Phunbaba23 [6c 2c Ad 7s]
Suicidalik: folds
singerboy1: calls $0.50
uwilgetbroke: calls $0.50
Phunbaba23: calls $0.50
BruceLi: folds
peky1: folds
sevup: folds
mondo nutz: calls $0.25
tacksamkt: raises $9.10 to $9.60 and is all-in
singerboy1: calls $9.10
uwilgetbroke: raises $34.95 to $44.55 and is all-in
Phunbaba23: calls $23.85 and is all-in
mondo nutz: folds
singerboy1: calls $34.95
*** FLOP *** [Tc Kd As]
*** TURN *** [Tc Kd As] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Kd As Qd] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
singerboy1: shows [2h 5c 8h 3d] (HI: a pair of Eights)
uwilgetbroke: shows [Ac Js Ah 4d] (HI: a straight, Ten to Ace)
uwilgetbroke collected $40.40 from side pot-2
Phunbaba23: mucks hand
uwilgetbroke collected $43.15 from side pot-1
tacksamkt: mucks hand
uwilgetbroke collected $37 from main pot
No low hand qualified

PokerStars Game #27144828987: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/04/16 4:16:22 ET
Table 'Gaspra' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: seemsIwin ($139.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Phunbaba23 ($39.65 in chips)
Seat 3: tourbiker ($47.60 in chips)
Seat 4: uwilgetbroke ($201.85 in chips)
Seat 5: dwwg ($99.50 in chips)
Seat 6: 49ers2005 ($184.30 in chips)
Seat 8: Domico ($30.35 in chips)
Seat 9: icecrmking ($20 in chips)
Domico: posts small blind $0.50
icecrmking: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Phunbaba23 [2h As 6s 7d]
seemsIwin: folds
Phunbaba23: calls $1
tourbiker: calls $1
uwilgetbroke: folds
dwwg: folds
49ers2005: folds
Domico: calls $0.50
icecrmking: raises $19 to $20 and is all-in
Phunbaba23: calls $19
tourbiker: folds
Domico: folds
*** FLOP *** [9c Jd 9s]
*** TURN *** [9c Jd 9s] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [9c Jd 9s 8d] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
icecrmking: shows [Ac 4c Ah Jh] (HI: a full house, Aces full of Nines)
Phunbaba23: mucks hand
icecrmking collected $39.90 from pot
No low hand qualified
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:50 AM   #2209
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:52 AM   #2210
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Anywhere else you would like to post this?

Yes it's weird but funny weird as in haha. If I went back through all my play there would be lots of funny things happen. Anyway it can't be rigged, the flops are different. Why would they deal the same hole cards but change the flop? Mind you they are cunning devils the people that rig the RNG's.
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:57 AM   #2211
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you play well
Normally yes I play fairly well. These hand... not so much. Anyway I was getting decent value with the first hand 4 way with 2 people playing rags. Second hand was pure curiosity. But your post is a little off topic anyway.
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:58 AM   #2212
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Anywhere else you would like to post this?

Yes it's weird but funny weird as in haha. If I went back through all my play there would be lots of funny things happen. Anyway it can't be rigged, the flops are different. Why would they deal the same hole cards but change the flop? Mind you they are cunning devils the people that rig the RNG's.
Any reason why you are so angry at me?
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Old 04-16-2009, 07:04 AM   #2213
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Any reason why you are so angry at me?
I'm not angry at you. I just fail to understand why you want to multiple post this and what exactly you are trying to say.

If it's just "haha look what happened here" then ok that's funny. If you are trying to say the RNG is rigged (which is really what you are saying isn't it?) how many times has this happened to you? Once in hundreds of thousands of hands is my guess. Bit of a strange rigged theory don't you think? They are out to get you with these same hole cards every million hands or so.
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Old 04-16-2009, 07:40 AM   #2214
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I have experienced something similar like BucketFoot.

Here's my thread on pocket fives about it: Click!

While I was multitabling (playing morning session) i got dealt same hand (pocket kings) with same suits on two tables simultaneously. I took pots down without showdown, so i don't know what villain(s) had. Not a biggie, right? In poker everything can happen!

Big was my surprise when i played night session and got dealt same hand (pocket kings again) with same suits (same suits as previous) again on two tables simultaneously. Again i don't know what villain(s) had 'cause i took pots down without showdown.

Somebody knows, where the answers lying!
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Old 04-16-2009, 07:48 AM   #2215
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I have experienced something similar like BucketFoot.

Here's my thread on pocket fives about it: Click!

While I was multitabling (playing morning session) i got dealt same hand (pocket kings) with same suits on two tables simultaneously. I took pots down without showdown, so i don't know what villain(s) had. Not a biggie, right? In poker everything can happen!

Big was my surprise when i played night session and got dealt same hand (pocket kings again) with same suits (same suits as previous) again on two tables simultaneously. Again i don't know what villain(s) had 'cause i took pots down without showdown.

Somebody knows, where the answers lying!
Except you were playing holdem where you are only dealt 2 cards.
Increasing the number to 4 makes this extremely unlikely.
The fact that villain ended with the nuts both times is the kicker though.
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Old 04-16-2009, 07:54 AM   #2216
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No, Microgaming went busto and owes their players $5.3 Million so that begs the question, what do they do with deposits?
this is incorrect. TUSK, who ran several MG skins, went busto, not the network.
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Old 04-16-2009, 08:09 AM   #2217
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WOW i just went and looked at the hands a little closer. The AcAh in villain's hands were not only the same suit but also in the exact same position in his hand, that is 1st and 3rd respectively. Parlay that with the fact that he also has any jack and any 4. Now times whatever small percent probability that is by the fact that I also have the same hand twice in a row. We are dealing with an extremely low percent here. Seems more likely that there is a glitch in the system to me.
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Seems more likely that there is a glitch in the system to me.
Or, perhaps, a wormhole in the space-time continuum?
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Old 04-16-2009, 08:20 AM   #2219
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Or, perhaps, a wormhole in the space-time continuum?
Honestly with the way things are going you may be on to something.
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Old 04-16-2009, 08:30 AM   #2220
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Except you were playing holdem where you are only dealt 2 cards.
Increasing the number to 4 makes this extremely unlikely.
The fact that villain ended with the nuts both times is the kicker though.
Unlikely, sure. Impossible - of course not.

You kind of said what the issue was without intention, basically you losing two hands. That tends to set off all sorts of paranoid thoughts in some, and thus a new rigged theory is born.

The other day I lost 6 off 6 all ins heads up vs an opponent in a sit and go. 1 coin flip, 2 hands like AJ vs KQ, and 3 times when I was dominating. He kept apologizing and I jokingly said it would be nice if he was the favorite at least once.

These things happen and they stand out when they do, but to leap to "RNG rigged" is a huge step that does not actually match the logic of the scenario.

- It requires the RnG to be rigged against YOU. That seems a bit much.

- It implies that any time a couple similar hands are dealt in the same time period that proves it is rigged. That's silly. Had you won either hand or if they were dealt an hour apart you probably would not notice as much.


You are doing what a lot of conspiracy guys do, taking unrelated bits of data and creating a grand unification theory. Reality tends to be simpler

- Odd sequence of 2 hands dealt which was only noticed because you vastly overplayed your basically one way hand each time


And scooper, you still have yet to comment on the rigged beliefs that sites help the short stacks in tournaments. One of the guys who posted a rambling manifesto the other day basically suggested that a few times.

Is that rigged theory valid? Yes or no. Odd how you continue to ignore this simple question.
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And scooper, you still have yet to comment on the rigged beliefs that sites help the short stacks in tournaments. One of the guys who posted a rambling manifesto the other day basically suggested that a few times.

Is that rigged theory valid? Yes or no. Odd how you continue to ignore this simple question.
But that is the way that rigtards (and sundry other idiots) work.

If anyone actually manages to nail one of their points they simply ignore that point for a few days and concentrate on other points (or using spurious arguments to try and discredit opposition).

Then, they'll reintroduce the point thinking that everyone has forgotten the counterpoints that they have not answered.

In their minds this is a perfectly valid technique.
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But that is the way that rigtards (and sundry other idiots) work.

If anyone actually manages to nail one of their points they simply ignore that point for a few days and concentrate on other points (or using spurious arguments to try and discredit opposition).

Then, they'll reintroduce the point thinking that everyone has forgotten the counterpoints that they have not answered.

In their minds this is a perfectly valid technique.
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So i didn't really think anything was too strange about me seeing A267 on 2 different tables simultaneously. That is until i decided to play it aggresively and both times lost a showdown to AhAcJ4. THE ACES WERE THE SAME SUIT EVEN!

PokerStars Game #27144826208: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2009/04/16 4:16:08 ET
Table 'Unukalhai II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: uwilgetbroke ($44.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Phunbaba23 ($24.35 in chips)
Seat 3: BruceLi ($14.25 in chips)
Seat 4: peky1 ($7.20 in chips)
Seat 5: sevup ($58.20 in chips)
Seat 6: mondo nutz ($39.05 in chips)
Seat 7: tacksamkt ($9.60 in chips)
Seat 8: Suicidalik ($24 in chips)
Seat 9: singerboy1 ($47.60 in chips)
mondo nutz: posts small blind $0.25
tacksamkt: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Phunbaba23 [6c 2c Ad 7s]
Suicidalik: folds
singerboy1: calls $0.50
uwilgetbroke: calls $0.50
Phunbaba23: calls $0.50
BruceLi: folds
peky1: folds
sevup: folds
mondo nutz: calls $0.25
tacksamkt: raises $9.10 to $9.60 and is all-in
singerboy1: calls $9.10
uwilgetbroke: raises $34.95 to $44.55 and is all-in
Phunbaba23: calls $23.85 and is all-in
mondo nutz: folds
singerboy1: calls $34.95
*** FLOP *** [Tc Kd As]
*** TURN *** [Tc Kd As] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Kd As Qd] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
singerboy1: shows [2h 5c 8h 3d] (HI: a pair of Eights)
uwilgetbroke: shows [Ac Js Ah 4d] (HI: a straight, Ten to Ace)
uwilgetbroke collected $40.40 from side pot-2
Phunbaba23: mucks hand
uwilgetbroke collected $43.15 from side pot-1
tacksamkt: mucks hand
uwilgetbroke collected $37 from main pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $123.55 Main pot $37. Side pot-1 $43.15. Side pot-2 $40.40. | Rake $3
Board [Tc Kd As Qd 8c]
Seat 1: uwilgetbroke showed [Ac Js Ah 4d] and won ($120.55) with HI: a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: Phunbaba23 mucked [6c 2c Ad 7s]
Seat 3: BruceLi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: peky1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sevup (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mondo nutz (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: tacksamkt (big blind) mucked [9d 7h 8s 6d]
Seat 8: Suicidalik folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: singerboy1 showed [2h 5c 8h 3d] and lost with HI: a pair of Eights


PokerStars Game #27144828987: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/04/16 4:16:22 ET
Table 'Gaspra' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: seemsIwin ($139.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Phunbaba23 ($39.65 in chips)
Seat 3: tourbiker ($47.60 in chips)
Seat 4: uwilgetbroke ($201.85 in chips)
Seat 5: dwwg ($99.50 in chips)
Seat 6: 49ers2005 ($184.30 in chips)
Seat 8: Domico ($30.35 in chips)
Seat 9: icecrmking ($20 in chips)
Domico: posts small blind $0.50
icecrmking: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Phunbaba23 [2h As 6s 7d]
seemsIwin: folds
Phunbaba23: calls $1
tourbiker: calls $1
uwilgetbroke: folds
dwwg: folds
49ers2005: folds
Domico: calls $0.50
icecrmking: raises $19 to $20 and is all-in
Phunbaba23: calls $19
tourbiker: folds
Domico: folds
*** FLOP *** [9c Jd 9s]
*** TURN *** [9c Jd 9s] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [9c Jd 9s 8d] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
icecrmking: shows [Ac 4c Ah Jh] (HI: a full house, Aces full of Nines)
Phunbaba23: mucks hand
icecrmking collected $39.90 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $42 | Rake $2.10
Board [9c Jd 9s 8d Ad]
Seat 1: seemsIwin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Phunbaba23 mucked [2h As 6s 7d]
Seat 3: tourbiker folded before Flop
Seat 4: uwilgetbroke folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dwwg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 49ers2005 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Domico (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: icecrmking (big blind) showed [Ac 4c Ah Jh] and won ($39.90) with HI: a full house, Aces full of Nines
No one caught this?

Also once I called out "I better get AA next hand" and I got it. As an added bonus, they won.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:13 AM   #2224
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No one caught this?

Also once I called out "I better get AA next hand" and I got it. As an added bonus, they won.
Yes, in my post I mentioned that he badly overplayed his raggy A2 hand when usually that type of shove is AAxx.

Maybe part of the rigged theory is Stars forces him to play badly, ever consider that?
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:45 AM   #2225
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:-| I dont get it .. Hes not posting about how he played the one hand or another, hes just saying that he got the same hand 2 times and got it beaten by the same hand.
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