Nickname(s) durrrr
Hometown Edison, New Jersey
Born July 30, 1986 (1986-07-30) (age 23)
World Series of Poker
Bracelet(s) None
Money finishes 3
Highest ITM
Main Event finish None
World Poker Tour
Titles None
Final tables 1
Money finishes 2
European Poker Tour
Titles None
Final tables None
Money finishes 1

boy, that word NONE

used a lot huh?

Why are you posting a lot of off topic, irrelevant, non sequiturs?

oh gee, yup, i made a mistake.

alderney

lol

online players cant hold a candle to live ones

period

stats prove that there

real awesome behind a computer screen. the live pros get them and boom, FAIL

Interesting theory but, sadly, one that the exactly opposed to the known facts.

Better luck next time.

imagine me going to my casino tonight, and after the tourney, i sit down to take some net guys money.

but theyve changed things! i win a huge pot, and now i have to pay a percentage of this pot.

only online. youre all so blind and its your egos that have cost you youre sight. none of you are real live players

really? lol now the facts lie too. the top online pros arent much live. dwan's a great player, sure, but no accomplishments to date.

oh wait. yes he has. ONLINE! oh, thats right. ONLINE! where the real pros play lmao

Desperately grasping to try and hold the belief that online poker is the same deal as live only works until the best online players go "pro" and try to make it live. then they fail.

lol

yet its just as fair and random online as it is live huh?

jaded, confused, ignoring everything thats there right in front you, your egos have truly blinded you

Not winning tournaments is not the same as having no accomplishments. If you're winning cash games, why bother restricting yourself to donkaments? If you think Durrr's such a loser with no accomplishments, go find him and play a cash game with him.

Just because some games you play take a time charge instead of a per-pot rake, there are plenty of B&M casinos that rake the pots like they do online, only it's more like 10% with a $4-6 max instead of the $3 max most online sites have.

lol another online guy screaming "we're pros, we're pros" lol

most live casinos DO NOT charge precentages based on pot size

false

and, i didnt say dwan is a loser. i said his online accomplishments dont translate into the world of live poker. maybe they will one day. who knows.

as the names mount up of online "pros" that cant hack it in live poker tourneys, you will all still continue to believe the deal is the same, the game is the same and just as fair.

In fact, the best of online poker players have been out accompished by most middle of the road tourney winners.

Dwan? No bracelet, no title, no WSOP cash. none. anyone else?

Moneymaker maybe? lol great story

I'd love to see some links to these.

Why have 0 of the 1031 posters been able to come up with even a shred of credible evidence?

Please explain how charging an hourly or percentage of the pot changes how they have to "rig" their software.

False.

Maybe you should read a bit of this thread before posting.

Ah, yes...it's not the US, so it must suck amirite?

You stating it's false doesn't make it so. I've played in at least 10 Vegas casinos. Number that charged rake hourly? Zero.

Feel free to use your hand histories to illustrate there is something wrong with the deal. You won't do this because you are an idiot or a liar.

Do you have the details of these players or are you making stuff up again?

How about because people tend to travel to live casinos to put in a long session. Online, people "have a quick go" if they're playing for fun or a constantly switching tables to get an edge because of the vast number of tables, games and stakes available. Your proposed method would therefore not work very well online.

I obvioulsy don't know if this is one of the reasons and it is off topic for this thread. If you really want to know why don't you e-mail a couple of sites and post their responses here

That's the spirit, especially on matters involving huge amounts of data, counter intuitive probability, emotions and cognitive bias.

Nobody is arguing that live and online poker don't involve different skills but the reasons for this are obvious and nothing to do with juiced deals. If you think sites are juicing deals for entertainment and admitting it in their T&Cs perhaps you should ask them what they do and post their response here.

ainec

Live games (at equivalent levels) are soft and fluffy like a bunny, online is hard and crusty like something hard and crusty.

You're spewing far too much nonsense to respond to all of it, honestly. You've been wrong on so many things so far and have failed to do any kind of proper research while going on laughing at yourself.

But on this particular point, ABSOLUTELY most live casinos charge percentages based on pot size. It seems you play at one place that doesn't and have just assumed because of what you saw at one place, every place is like that.

Places I've played that charge table fees:

Greektown - Detroit
Foxwoods - Connecticut (not 100% sure on this one, been a while)

Places I've played that charge rake as a percentage, with a cap (like online but with a higher cap)

Harrah's - Kansas City
Mohegan Sun - Connecticut
MGM Grand - Las Vegas
Mirage - Las Vegas
Bellagio - Las Vegas
Flamingo - Las Vegas
Wynn - Las Vegas
Commerce - Los Angeles

Just to name a few. Why does somebody like you who has no facts decide to create an account and start stating fiction as fact? Does credibility mean nothing to you?

Hmmmmmm.

Wrong again. Horribly, horribly wrong.

The 5 dollar rake in the 3/6 limit game at the live cardroom where I live is really bad. When you add the dealer tip it is six dollars raked per pot. With the blinds at 1 and 3 dollars you are essentially starting with a -2 dollar pot! It doesn't get any worse than that!!! In the 25c/50c microstakes on Pokerstars you get raked 5c/dollar, and with an average pot of 2 dollars that is like 10 cents. That is 1 big bet in the 3/6 live game vs. 1/5 a big bet on Pokerstars. Of course since the rake at 5 dollars in the cardroom is applied at all of the tables, it is not so bad at the higher limits.

Someone who makes the claims eyes0fblue has made, does not play a lot of live poker. Or he's only played at a few places (probably locally).

I've NEVER played at an hourly fee table. Didn't really know they existed. Doesn't say much for me, but.. to claim that most places have these tables is definitely incorrect. I live and play live poker (for my living) in Vegas. There are probably more poker tables here than anywhere else on the planet (especially now that the WSOP is going ).

And about the [off topic] comment about online players vs live players..

Yes, live players have made more money than online players. Online poker hasn't been around for as long though. However, the money to be won online is growing, while the money to be won playing live has stayed almost the same (it isn't growing much, if at all).

Yes, online players are more skilled at lower to mid level stakes (in comparison to live players). But if you took away their poker tracking tools, then who knows. I still think they'd be pretty far ahead of the live players though.

Yes, you're dead ass wrong about Tom Dwan. Sure, he hasn't done much in live tournaments, but so what. He's crushed live games for a few years now.. consistently. He's a regular at Bobby's Room and has done well on the Million Dollar Cash Game a few times (against the best live players in the world). I can't even believe you mentioned Chris Moneymaker in the same post!

As for the rest of your posts.. complete riggie garbage. A rebuttal is completely unnecessary. You're a tool and a fool.

Time charges are quite common in higher stake games including Vegas.

I play both live and online and the difference in the quality of play isn't even close. The average skill level of online players is far superior to that of the average live player. Christ, I know people making a living in live 30/60 lhe games who couldn't even beat a 3/6 game online.

He's a cash game player not a torney player

The only reason he is playing more at this years wsop cause he's got some nice prop bets going on or he would be at bobby room

WTF this thread is 1477 pages big

No shït, Sherlock?

Oh, yes.

They're the only type available where eyesofglue plays.

You see, it's hard to make a profit raking play money.

Still. Doesn't mean they'd do all that great playing live (I didn't clarify that I meant both sides playing both live and online).