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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
First of all, I don't get all this, 'you are a riggie,' 'you are a rigtard,' stuff that's getting banded about.
General term used for players who look for mystical reasons about the game conditions, usually to find meaning as to why they cannot make money.
Your asking for proof that ipoker is fair is a fairly routine example of that type of belief structure. If it was "unfair" then the math freaks who UNDERSTAND the math would have proved it by now.
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
I've never even brought up the word 'rigged' so I don't see the need to categorize me like that. I have no idea whether the dealing in online poker is realistic or not. I believe it probably is realistic, all I'm asking for is to see evidence either way, so I can make a more educated decision. I don't see the need to shoot me down for that. You may have seen the evidence yourself a long time ago, but I haven't. That's no reason to have a go at me.
You were pointed to a site where spadebidder demonstrated with 1 billion hands that it was fair. Your response was that you did not understand it, and then asked well is it fair where I play?
That's very standard riggie logic.
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
In response to your scenarios:
Scenario 1: Firstly, again you are making unfair assumptions about me. You are saying I am making nothing which isn't correct. I am making a bit of money at poker, so at the moment I am continuing to play whilst also looking for other jobs. If the dealing is proven to be realistic, then I will continue to play and look to improve my game using the suggestions I have been offered here. I will also continue looking for a job until such a time as the poker picks up.
Assuming you are genuine, you have made it clear that you cannot afford $75 software at this time, and also have concerns about paying for food.
Poker is not going to magically "pick up" enough for you to make up for your situation, so in this scenario your best plan is to quit poker and get a couple of menial jobs and start buying a lot of cheap food.
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Scenario 2: I don't see how it could be specifically 'unfair' to one person. I'm just suggesting it could be unrealistic as a simulation of real poker. For example, if hands were holding up less than they should, then this would benefit worse players, as they are more likely to have their chips in with the worst hand. Of course I wouldn't just quit, I would be taking action against the company through the relevant authorities and taking it from there.
If it does not benefit one player or another then what difference does it even make if it being "unfair" exists. If I have a 2 headed coin and ask you to call a flip and you do not know I have a 2 headed coin then you do not have any advantage.
Spade's study was probably for Pokerstars. Play there then if that makes you feel better that it's "fair."
Otherwise, realistically in this scenario your best plan is to quit poker and get a couple of menial jobs and start buying a lot of cheap food.
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Scenario 3: I'm not sure what 'paranoid based concept' you think I want proven ? I'm looking for any stats people may have in relation to iPoker. I haven't got anything to go on at the moment so any info would be great. I don't have any particular concept that I've asked to be looked into, so I'm not sure how it could be paranoid (paranoia ?) based.
You are concerned that the game is "unfair" without even knowing how to explain what you mean by unfair. That is called being paranoid.
In this scenario your best plan is to quit poker and get a couple of menial jobs and start buying a lot of cheap food.
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
I fully intend to do the analysis myself, but it will take time to build up enough hands for a realistic analysis. That is why I thought I would ask if anyone had done any previous analysis that I could look at. It wasn't a case of being lazy or ignoring what I have been told, I have taken everything I have been told on board and am working on these things as we speak.
You asked, and were pointed to a billion hand analysis. You replied by going "duh, me no get it, is ipoker fair?" That's why nobody else will bother to do your work for you, in the end you will either
- Not understand and ask for more that you will also not understand
- Not like the results and ask for a different type of study
You were told where studies were done. You were told where software exists that can help you. You were told where to ask these questions (hint not a riggie thread). That's all you are going to get. If you are a troll, good job playing the role of a dumb guy who refuses to learn. If you are genuine then accept that you got all the help you ever will in this thread and start getting your ass in gear and start enjoying a diet of discount products.
All the best, I am off to play a "fair" game for now.