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05-24-2010 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
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Why is it too much to ask ?

My livelihood depends on what goes on on the site. I pay iPoker thousands of pounds a year and would happily continue to do so. I don't feel asking them to cooperate with me and look at a few stats is asking too much considering the amount of money I give them.

Take a million of my hands. Show me how often I get dealt aces, kings, any other particular hand. Show me how often my 50/50 'races' win. Show me how often my pocket pairs lose to lower pairs and vice versa. If any or a lot of these stats show results that cause concern then investigate further.

I'm not accusing anyone of any wrongdoing, it's just when my livelihood is at stake, it can't be enough for someone to say, 'Our site is fair, we have a certificate.' I'd like to see some more concrete evidence that I can relate to.

Your livelihood is worth at least some work from your part, and certainly more than $100. Even if you are going through rough times. Take some time off poker, get $100 and do some work on your data. You will have plenty of help from very knowledgeable people here if you get stuck, or if you don't know where to start with your tests. Also, most of the database analysis programs have great support forums. It is too much to ask because that is a job that you need to do yourself. You are not asking monks to convince you of the fairness of God (or are you??). There is data to be analysed. It is not a question of faith.
I think every serious online poker player does these checks from time to time. You need to learn how to do it. Or not, and never solve the riddle.
You cannot ask some random people to take care of you. It is too much to ask. You need to take care of yourself, we agree on that, right? If you still don't know how to do that, you need to learn, but you can't rely on others. If you do, sooner or later it will catch up with you.

Just to make it short/clear: It is too much to ask (why explained above). And $100 should be nothing compared to your livelihood's worth.

S.
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05-25-2010 , 02:58 AM
This thread has become really peaceful since BeatenSenseless got banned.
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05-25-2010 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
This thread has become really peaceful since BeatenSenseless got banned.
Why don't you create a gimmick account pretending to be his gimmick account ?
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05-25-2010 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ComplexP
Why don't you create a gimmick account pretending to be his gimmick account ?
What and argue with myself all day?

I'm enjoying a well earned rest.


Edit: But I'm missing my fees.

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05-25-2010 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by argentina71
Your livelihood is worth at least some work from your part, and certainly more than $100. Even if you are going through rough times. Take some time off poker, get $100 and do some work on your data. You will have plenty of help from very knowledgeable people here if you get stuck, or if you don't know where to start with your tests. Also, most of the database analysis programs have great support forums. It is too much to ask because that is a job that you need to do yourself. You are not asking monks to convince you of the fairness of God (or are you??). There is data to be analysed. It is not a question of faith.
I think every serious online poker player does these checks from time to time. You need to learn how to do it. Or not, and never solve the riddle.
You cannot ask some random people to take care of you. It is too much to ask. You need to take care of yourself, we agree on that, right? If you still don't know how to do that, you need to learn, but you can't rely on others. If you do, sooner or later it will catch up with you.

Just to make it short/clear: It is too much to ask (why explained above). And $100 should be nothing compared to your livelihood's worth.

S.


I couldn't agree more. Of course my livelihood is worth some work on my part. I give my absolute all mate. You say it as if I don't give a damn.

At the moment I do not have $100 to buy these tools and I'm not sure I understand what they do anyway. I can't really afford to take time off as I have bills to pay and food to buy just like everyone else.

As I said previously, i pay iPoker thousands of pounds a year. I always turn up and give my all and I end each day absolutely drained with the efforts I have given. What am I getting back from iPoker for what I am putting in ? I don't feel I am getting much back at all.

I am asking for proof that their site is fair. That's all. I don't feel it's a lot for them to provide GIVEN THE MONEY I GIVE THEM.
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05-25-2010 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
I couldn't agree more. Of course my livelihood is worth some work on my part. I give my absolute all mate. You say it as if I don't give a damn.

At the moment I do not have $100 to buy these tools and I'm not sure I understand what they do anyway. I can't really afford to take time off as I have bills to pay and food to buy just like everyone else.

As I said previously, i pay iPoker thousands of pounds a year. I always turn up and give my all and I end each day absolutely drained with the efforts I have given. What am I getting back from iPoker for what I am putting in ? I don't feel I am getting much back at all.

I am asking for proof that their site is fair. That's all. I don't feel it's a lot for them to provide GIVEN THE MONEY I GIVE THEM.
Then go and play somewhere else. In your case I would recommend one of the big poker sites, either FTP or PS. Problem sorted.

S.

(And by the way, if you can give them thousands, you can give yourself 100 bucks. When you have time, of course. It won't take you more than a week to get it sorted. Stop playing for one week (that looks +EV to me, according to your comments) and dedicate yourself to learn how to use those tools. It will pay off.)
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05-25-2010 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
This thread has become really peaceful since BeatenSenseless got banned.
I'll beat you senseless
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05-25-2010 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MrAss
I'll beat you senseless
Hi, BS.
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05-25-2010 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Hi, BS.
I can assure you I am NOT beaten senseless whomever that is.
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05-25-2010 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MrAss
I can assure you I am NOT beaten senseless whomever that is.
Of course you're not.
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05-25-2010 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MrAss
I can assure you I am NOT beaten senseless... er.. um.. I mean whomever that is.
fyp
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05-25-2010 , 05:58 PM
I thought it was Bubba Spinks - he said he was going to join.

I was pretty sure no one had beaten him senseless, hence: "Of course you're not".
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05-25-2010 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Of course you're not.
Look dude I freakin hate being accused of being something I am not. I am NOT Beaten Senseless. I wish I could prove it. I don't even know who the guy is.
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05-25-2010 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MrAss
Look dude I freakin hate being accused of being something I am not. I am NOT Beaten Senseless. I wish I could prove it. I don't even know who the guy is.
That you, Bubba?

I thought it was, that's why I said: "Hi, BS."

Who the hell is this 'beaten senseless'?

You were the one who mentioned him - which is kinda clever if you don't know who he is.
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05-25-2010 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
That you, Bubba?

I thought it was, that's why I said: "Hi, BS."

Who the hell is this 'beaten senseless'?

You were the one who mentioned him - which is kinda clever if you don't know who he is.
I thought you called me Beaten Senseless because you called me BS, I just figured you were using the initials but no I am not him and not bubba either. I'm MrAss
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05-25-2010 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MrAss
I thought you called me Beaten Senseless because you called me BS, I just figured you were using the initials but no I am not him and not bubba either. I'm MrAss
OK.

Hi, Paininthe, welcome to the site.
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05-25-2010 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MrAss
I thought you called me Beaten Senseless because you called me BS, I just figured you were using the initials but no I am not him and not bubba either. I'm MrAss
Pretty sure this is that "SexyBoy" muppet who was just recently banned and going for another.
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05-26-2010 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
I am asking for proof that their site is fair. That's all. I don't feel it's a lot for them to provide GIVEN THE MONEY I GIVE THEM.
It's been explained a few times now why that is a lot to ask. But if makes you happy to stick your fingers in your ears singing "LALALALALALA", then enjoy yourself.

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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Pretty sure this is that "SexyBoy" muppet who was just recently banned and going for another.
That seemed pretty obvious to me as well, although I haven't bothered to IP check him yet.
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05-26-2010 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Pretty sure this is that "SexyBoy" muppet who was just recently banned and going for another.
Pity her didn't give us his second name. 'plode'? 'wipe'?

Who knows?
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05-27-2010 , 11:15 AM
It's when I play single table Sit and Goes that I really start to question the dealing. They last about 20-40 minutes. Not sure how many hands that would be, maybe 40-50.

In that time, you get absolutely showered with A, Ks and A, Qs and big pairs, hands which create action. It just doesn't seem like you get dealt these hands the correct amount of times at all.

By my calculations, you should get dealt each particular pair, one hand out of every 221 and a hand like A, K for example, less than one time in every 80 hands.

iPoker would appear to be way off with these figures.
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05-27-2010 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
It's when I play single table Sit and Goes that I really start to question the dealing. They last about 20-40 minutes. Not sure how many hands that would be, maybe 40-50.

In that time, you get absolutely showered with A, Ks and A, Qs and big pairs, hands which create action. It just doesn't seem like you get dealt these hands the correct amount of times at all.

By my calculations, you should get dealt each particular pair, one hand out of every 221 and a hand like A, K for example, less than one time in every 80 hands.

iPoker would appear to be way off with these figures.

Unless you are prepared to tell us exactly how many times you are getting those cards, with all due respect, your post is essentially contentless. It is entirely possible for you to provide us with exact numbers, so your statement that it would "appear" that iPoker is way off has no teeth.
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05-27-2010 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Unless you are prepared to tell us exactly how many times you are getting those cards, with all due respect, your post is essentially contentless. It is entirely possible for you to provide us with exact numbers, so your statement that it would "appear" that iPoker is way off has no teeth.

It's a bit awkward mate. I'm there to try and make a living and I'd like to give all my concentration to that, so sitting counting how often I get dealt particular hands and also how many hands there have been in each tournament is going to distract from my performance.

I could try to do that from now if you want, but how long would I need to do it for ? I can imagine doing it for a hundred tournaments and then being told, 'That's not enough hands, that proves nothing.'
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05-27-2010 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
It's a bit awkward mate. I'm there to try and make a living and I'd like to give all my concentration to that, so sitting counting how often I get dealt particular hands and also how many hands there have been in each tournament is going to distract from my performance.

I could try to do that from now if you want, but how long would I need to do it for ? I can imagine doing it for a hundred tournaments and then being told, 'That's not enough hands, that proves nothing.'
Dude, we've told you about programs that can do it for you in an instant. We've told you they have free trials, and I've even told you that I thought you could find a free one on the net.

Of course it would be ridiculous to sit there counting. Use the tools that are available to you!
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05-27-2010 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Dude, we've told you about programs that can do it for you in an instant. We've told you they have free trials, and I've even told you that I thought you could find a free one on the net.

Of course it would be ridiculous to sit there counting. Use the tools that are available to you!

Tried downloading one the other night. My computer is knackered and it wouldn't download.

So, you're telling me these programs tell you, 'this is how often you get dealt A, K.' ?

What do people who have these programs already make of iPoker ? Do they show any discrepancies in the dealing ?
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05-27-2010 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Tried downloading one the other night. My computer is knackered and it wouldn't download.

So, you're telling me these programs tell you, 'this is how often you get dealt A, K.' ?

What do people who have these programs already make of iPoker ? Do they show any discrepancies in the dealing ?
I think it's safe to say that if there were any anomalies on any of the 'big four' sites/networks these forums would be awash with posts about it.

You do not seem to be a rigtard but the posts you are making here are odd and do not seem consistent. You say you are both making a living at poker and struggling to make a profit at ipoker. Do you play on other sites? If so why not just drop ipoker for a while?

You also claim you can't afford £60 to get software and that the primary tool of you trade: your computer is knackered. Neither of these statements seem consistent with a person making a living playing online poker.

Don't think I'm accusing you of not telling us the truth - I'm just struggling to get an accurate picture of your circumstances.

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