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Old 04-15-2009, 12:52 PM   #2151
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Why would you even care about this ?
Let me take you through it step by step.

1) Newcomers to forum likely to be newcomers to OLP.

2) Newcomers to OLP quite likely to be newcomers to poker.

3) Newcomers to poker likely to be 'not very good'.

4) Easier to make money from 'not very good players'.


Why do rigtards need this explained to them?

The only good thing about rigtards is that their knowledge of probability maths is, despite what they may think, so execrable that it's even easier to make money from them than 'normal' newcomers.
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:56 PM   #2152
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

Yay I actually learned something from this thread. A new word: "execrable".
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Old 04-15-2009, 01:18 PM   #2153
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Let me take you through it step by step.

1) Newcomers to forum likely to be newcomers to OLP.

2) Newcomers to OLP quite likely to be newcomers to poker.

3) Newcomers to poker likely to be 'not very good'.

4) Easier to make money from 'not very good players'.


Why do rigtards need this explained to them?

The only good thing about rigtards is that their knowledge of probability maths is, despite what they may think, so execrable that it's even easier to make money from them than 'normal' newcomers.
Fair enough. I wont get in any discosion with you, as i mentioned before becouse its useless. Gl on the felts (2p2 Poker is rigged debate)
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Old 04-15-2009, 01:33 PM   #2154
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Fair enough. I wont get in any discosion with you, as i mentioned before becouse its useless.
It would not be useless if you had a single scrap of evidence or a single logical argument for rigging that had not been roundly de-bunked.

But if you just want to repeat over and over: "I think it's rigged" and never address any of the many contrary points that have been brought up and ignored by yourself and the other rigtards time and time again, then, yes, I fear it is useless.
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Old 04-15-2009, 01:42 PM   #2155
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It would not be useless if you had a single scrap of evidence or a single logical argument for rigging that had not been roundly de-bunked.

But if you just want to repeat over and over: "I think it's rigged" and never address any of the many contrary points that have been brought up and ignored by yourself and the other rigtards time and time again, then, yes, I fear it is useless.
Do you want to kma ? Becouse i never said its rigged ?
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Old 04-15-2009, 01:50 PM   #2156
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Let me take you through it step by step.

1) Newcomers to forum likely to be newcomers to OLP.

2) Newcomers to OLP quite likely to be newcomers to poker.

3) Newcomers to poker likely to be 'not very good'.

4) Easier to make money from 'not very good players'.


Why do rigtards need this explained to them?

The only good thing about rigtards is that their knowledge of probability maths is, despite what they may think, so execrable that it's even easier to make money from them than 'normal' newcomers.
No new players dont use 2+2 at all you fool.

Can t a certified shill come up with a better explanation than this?
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Old 04-15-2009, 01:59 PM   #2157
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What people say that? I cant recall anyone saying that about a tourney but certainly its been mentioned about SS in cash games.
Been one of the theories used here in the past in some of the older rigged theory threads, usually as a basis to either

1) Help short stacks because they are generally weaker players

2) Some type of intricate bubble manipulation belief ie: keeping some people alive till they can have the people they want lose


So again, I ask you this and let's see if you will actually ever answer it.

What do you say to the people who have those specific rigged theories about those theories. Are their rigged theories incorrect?
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Old 04-15-2009, 02:10 PM   #2158
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Do you want to kma ? Becouse i never said its rigged ?
OK, so what exactly is your problem?

I'm afraid I can't be bothered to keep tabs on the current individual components of the rigtard continuum.

You seem to be a fellow traveller with supperdish and tk1133.
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Old 04-15-2009, 02:15 PM   #2159
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No new players dont use 2+2 at all you fool.
Oh! Is there some entry criterion that prevents them?

An exam of some kind?

Anyone starting poker who had a gram of common sense would google and check out the relevant forums.

Uh, wait, I see why that never occured to you.
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Old 04-15-2009, 02:17 PM   #2160
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they probably only search for help when they realize they're in over their heads.

conveniently, they find 2+2 and learn it's rigged so it's not their fault they keep losing.
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Old 04-15-2009, 02:23 PM   #2161
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No new players dont use 2+2 at all you fool.

Hmmm...I wonder why there are thousands of posts in this forum then?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...ers-questions/

If I were you Sooper, I'd just give up at this point.
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Old 04-15-2009, 02:31 PM   #2162
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Do you want to kma ? Becouse i never said its rigged ?
Really? Then your English is so poor that everyone on here is misunderstanding your meaning. I think you've said it a lot.


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And always out by a horrible bad beat or a set up.

My conlusion to all this bst is that not anyone can win online, its just made that way.
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I have said to you that there wont be mathematical evidence ever that one or other poker sites rng is not random, becouse there are to much money invoulved into this, and if you are doing a billon dollar worth scam you will make sure that it goes right and wont be detected by some online poker addicts.
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But even so, the auditors have their price.
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Prove me that timing theory is wrong xD.
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We dont have "real audit" opinions about their card shuffling (with stats etc.) And this proves enough in my opinion.
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Ahm .. I gues its becouse ... you see more hands when you play online.
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Old 04-15-2009, 02:40 PM   #2163
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quoting is rigged, obv.

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Old 04-15-2009, 03:43 PM   #2164
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MITH or NOT?! THE NEW PLAYER AWESOME RUN

Are new players getting a better than average run of cards when they open their account, so they end up winning a bit and have a happy impression/feeling the the new site?

Ive always thought that an argument like this would be B.S! But after table ratings, I have ran across quite a few players (who have less than 2k hands played on the site) getting pretty damn lucky in every way.

If you owned the poker site, and it was possible, would you do something like that, I think that most would do it since its great for business.

what do you guys think?
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:03 PM   #2165
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ok, first quote. I was really pissed. And all other quotes, i was just posting arguments and defending people that have their own opinions. I dont care anyway. Think what ever you want to.
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:07 PM   #2166
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Re: MITH or NOT?! THE NEW PLAYER AWESOME RUN

[ ] MITH
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:10 PM   #2167
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Re: MITH or NOT?! THE NEW PLAYER AWESOME RUN

i think puppies are cute

as for what you said, I disagree with it all
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:10 PM   #2168
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[X] Not MITH
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:14 PM   #2170
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Re: MITH or NOT?! THE NEW PLAYER AWESOME RUN

Math is fun, but usually not part of any good rigged theory.

Meth is bad, and causes people to think of weird rigged theories

Moths that can expect to live for a week have life rigged against them

Muths are a cute Canadian family! http://www.muth.ca/


Not a single mith in any of the above.
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:17 PM   #2171
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Math is fun, but usually not part of any good rigged theory.

Meth is bad, and causes people to think of weird rigged theories

Moths that can expect to live for a week have life rigged against them

Muths are a cute Canadian family! http://www.muth.ca/


Not a single mith in any of the above.
Nor a pole...
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:19 PM   #2172
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Re: MITH or NOT?! THE NEW PLAYER AWESOME RUN

I think you're looking for this thread.
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:28 PM   #2173
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Damn, I thought this thread was for something like this...

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Old 04-15-2009, 04:41 PM   #2174
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:17 PM   #2175
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

the player who got beaten by the supersuser on the final table , the one who requested the hand history and got the lot
if he would have just popped into a forum , said i think i was cheated or the guy could see my hole cards and posted the hand would he have been told , well it was just a bad player , its variance life is rigged etc get a tinfoil hat ?
that guy was so lucky to get full hand historys etc to prove he was right , otherwise it would have just been a joke at a potential sore loser , well you got beaten by donk get over it .

how many sites poker etc have been caught in some scandal or caught cheating now ?
1 or 2 or is it hitting 5 or 6 ?

phil helmuth getting a pot with the losing hand , if you where 4 or 6 tabling at the time would you have even notcied ? i know its not rigging but its a bug

the people who had the super user accounts where they even charged ? no? breaking what law in what island province ?

while this industry isnt regulated i wouldnt put it past anyone to be doing anything and i wouldnt degrade anyone who says it might be rigged or not right




rigging doesnt have to be as simple as aa vs kk , give a shorter stack top pair in a flop to overcards , give a shorter stack a flush draw etc
why do this ? in a torni with 5k players if no hands hit anyone for 2 hours there would be less players on the cash tables or joining other tornis etc
( this is just a possible theory not what im saying happens )


millionares get caught cheating the stock market ( why would a guy with 45 million dollars risk jail for another 2 million , simple its greed ) , insider trading , companies set up false businesses as tax shelters , big phone companies overcharging customers 5cents ( its worth a lot when you have 4 million customers ) bookmakers not declaring big bets to the tax office ( why would a bookie who makes 5 to 6 million a year hide a 200k bet from the tax office , greed ) cricket players losing ( lets not forget south africa ) players from india getting signals when to bowl a no ball for live betting its endless what people will do for money and having a lot of money doesnt make you a saint


a lot of people say why would a site risk its business to cheat when they would lose its customers ?
well i dont see ab or ub shut down ? people still play there even tho the ip was traced back to management ?


a lot of poker sites claim to have their rng checked by independant sources ok all good ? has any one actualy checked what happens between the rng and the table ?


and for anyone who says that its too hard or a computer or couldnt be used to rig so many hands on so many tables check out these stats



chess computer in 2003

Deep Junior, 2003
Kasparov played with 3D glasses in his match against the program X3D Fritz.

In January 2003, he engaged in a six game classical time control match with a $1 million prize fund which was billed as the FIDE "Man vs. Machine" World Championship, against Deep Junior.[58] The engine evaluated three million positions per second


The engine evaluated three million positions per second

so make a random rng , have one of these babies in between look at stack sizes agress factor position called bets players in hand and make a flop and turn comeout any way they wanted ?( the average player takes longer than 1 second to think if his checking or folding so my god this thing could calculate what 10 players would need on a flop to stay in )


so lets look at it this way
why would they do it ? greed
why would they chance it ? no retributions
can they do it ? The engine evaluated three million positions per second


so its all possible

i like online poker , but i prefer live play , and i will continue to say when a small stacks aces where rivered by the big stacks pocket 4s that ..well hes having a lucky day

untill i start believing otherwise


just my 4 cents )
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