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Wiki, You and your pal the lord yapping at monteroy is possibly the funniest thing I have ever read in this thread. He is a poster who has always come across as obviously poker savvy,generally respectful of others opinions,and imo an exceptional sense of humour. The accusation about the gimmick account was the best part though. I would put more than a buck or two that you are qpw. Same shrill,you better not disagree if you are on my 'side',or you 'MUST' be on your period. And tldr....I doubt very much there is a single post you don't read voraciously,looking for something,anything,to critique.Peace........Go Habbies

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05-20-2010 , 07:01 PM

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Same shrill...

...with an English accent.

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05-20-2010 , 07:02 PM

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+1 (ten different ways...)

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05-20-2010 , 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Josem

Here are five pieces of concrete evidence it is not rigged:

So don’t you mean, Here are five pieces of concrete evidence that pokerstars is not rigged.

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05-20-2010 , 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by siguy6819

So don’t you mean, Here are five pieces of concrete evidence that pokerstars is not rigged.

Yes, exactly.

Obviously I'm not going to defend a site like UB/AP/Some other random little service.

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05-20-2010 , 09:32 PM

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I wonder if passive play is a common cause of rig suspicion. It can cause you to cling more dearly to your good hands, not get enough value on all hands collectively, and maybe fold too frequently in certain spots and thus get run over. This could lead to the conviction that something is wrong when you don't win a pot in a situation that is one of the too few times you expect to make profit. A more correctly aggressive player could more easily let a bad beat slide thinking he'll be raking a new pot soon enough. Just a thought, not trying to disprove any specific rig suspicions.

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05-20-2010 , 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by siguy6819

So don’t you mean, Here are five pieces of concrete evidence that pokerstars is not rigged.

How much have you lost this week on Roulette? Go back to your forum Tom.

At least you've learned to stay in the riggtard thread.

http://wreckingbalm.com/

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05-20-2010 , 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Nutz?

How much have you lost this week on Roulette? Go back to your forum Tom.

At least you've learned to stay in the riggtard thread.

http://wreckingbalm.com/

Who is this guy supposed to be?

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05-20-2010 , 10:59 PM

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Go look at the Real Deal thread. I think this is one of RDs many accounts here. He like to say when he plays Roulette on line , it is "real", why shouldn't poker be. And he's a classic rigtard to top it off. I'm tiered of these guys coming over here and taking up space.
And the wrecking balm will help him get rid of his Real Deal tattoo

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05-21-2010 , 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by quarantined

He is a poster who has always come across as obviously poker savvy,generally respectful of others opinions,and imo an exceptional sense of humour.

Get a room?

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The accusation about the gimmick account was the best part though. I would put more than a buck or two that you are qpw. Same shrill,you better not disagree if you are on my 'side',or you 'MUST' be on your period. And tldr....I doubt very much there is a single post you don't read voraciously,looking for something,anything,to critique.Peace.

LOL.

Looks as if Monteroy's got himself another gimmick. (Just swap 'All the best' with 'Peace')

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05-21-2010 , 03:43 AM

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So now that I've irrefutably shown how easy a large site could be rigged with detection by HH's being impossible, now I just have to show how insanely profitable it would be in relation to their current rake.

So where can I find the yearly rake info for stars and tilt?

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05-21-2010 , 03:51 AM

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So now that I've irrefutably shown how easy a large site could be rigged with detection by HH's being impossible,

Where have you done that?

Please provide a link. (Or quote the text in question.)

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05-21-2010 , 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Where have you done that?

Please provide a link. (Or quote the text in question.)

It took about 8 posts.
Send Spadebidder into hiding...

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05-21-2010 , 04:03 AM

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"PokerStars, situated on the Isle of Man, claims it has legal opinions from five U.S. law firms saying it is not violating any laws. The company has an estimated $1.4 billion of annual global revenue and some $500 million in profit...."

any objections to the SIMPLE $500million figure?

Overhead can't really be considered when I show how easy it would be to increase this by 10%....as the software could probably developed for a small 6 figures, and the cost of laundering the money would be purely speculative.

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05-21-2010 , 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

It took about 8 posts.
Send Spadebidder into hiding...

LOL.

I notice no link or quote to demonstrate that you have done what you claimed to have done.

No surprises there, then.

What's that expression Josem uses? "You are a lying lair who tells lies".

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05-21-2010 , 04:04 AM

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Overhead can't really be considered when I show how easy it would be to increase this by 10%....as the software could probably developed for a small 6 figures, and the cost of laundering the money would be purely speculative.

Except, of course, you haven't.

Edit: Not in a way that cannot be detected, anyway.

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05-21-2010 , 04:23 AM

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http://www.safeandsecureig.org/index.html

damn, there goes half my site....

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05-21-2010 , 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Where have you done that?

Please provide a link. (Or quote the text in question.)

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If they were to rig a deck to steal ONE pot...it wouldn't be detectable.
(A)If they do the same thing, 100 times, it STILL wouldn't be detectable.
If they do that 100 times, and mix it up with a different rigged deck, rigged in a different way(B) 100 times, it wouldn't be detectable.
If they do A then B then C then D....ect...and take $100 bucks each time....spade will go into hiding...as will wiki...as will qpw's (current) gimmicky account....

throw in limit games where it doesn't even have to go to a showdown to be rigged....the 7 hi straightflush draw that misses....the 2 pair that gets counterfeit twice....the low draw that stays above 8/misses.......the razz hand that goes A234KKK....raised and reraised into a "shill" account, only to get folded on the river....SInce these don't get shown down, a HH analysis will be nearly useless....

....and spade will eat his gimmicky $500 "reward"

The basic gist.
You might wanna call in someone smarter before u try to refute this one.

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05-21-2010 , 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

ROFLMAO.

It's been acknowledged many, many, times that any site could rig things so that the creamed off a small number of pots.

I don't think anyone is denying that - and if they are they're wrong.

But 100 hands is such a microscopic fraction of any of the major sites dealings it's meaningless.

You need to show how they could rig a significant number of hands in order that they could significantly increase their profits without being detected.

Better luck next time.

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05-21-2010 , 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Significant # in relation to 500 million they currently make.
It would be EASY to rig 50 million with these methods as this could be done with a small fraction of the real money hands in play.
You need to consult someone smarter, wiki.

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05-21-2010 , 04:47 AM

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You need to show how they could rig a significant number of hands .....

Better luck next time.

No.
You need ONLY to show a significant increase in profits.

Consult some who can do math and has a basic understanding of statistics.

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05-21-2010 , 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

Significant # in relation to 500 million they currently make.
It would be EASY to rig 50 million with these methods as this could be done with a small fraction of the real money hands in play.

The 500M is profit. The 50M is a number of hands. Didn't anyone ever teach you that you can't perform maths on unlike quantities? It (the mistake you made) is referred to as 'comparing apples and oranges'.

And that's before we get started on how they are going to rig 10M hands without getting caught.

Try again.

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05-21-2010 , 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

No.
You need ONLY to show a significant increase in profits.

Which would, quite obviously, need more than the 100 hands you mentioned.

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05-21-2010 , 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Try again.

Please don't.

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05-21-2010 , 04:53 AM

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Please don't.

Fair point.

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