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05-16-2010 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 14cobster
You work for ps?
Yes.
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That's pretty cool.
I enjoy it

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Where are they headquartered?
33 Athol Street, Douglas, Isle of Man:



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Also, if you don't mind saying, what do u do for ps?
My job title is 'Game Security Manager'. I basically work to enforce our game rules.

Last edited by Josem; 05-16-2010 at 07:14 PM. Reason: Fixed picture.
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05-16-2010 , 08:05 PM
Bingo Boy" "Many have tried to explain a non random deal would be detected using examples but you refuse to believe them. There is not much more we can do."

Please direct me to these examples.
Remember also the context, we are talking about detection via HH's, a guy seeing it with a flashlight doesn't count.

I am not talking about using a 53 card deck.
I am talking about a set deck of 52 cards.
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05-16-2010 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by toltec444
So my question is: If pokerstars, fulltilt and partypoker are proven to be cheating in some way, what will happen in terms of legislation?
Phil Hellmuth will endorse them, which is punishment enough, I guess.
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05-16-2010 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
Phil Hellmuth will endorse them, which is punishment enough, I guess.
LOL
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05-16-2010 , 10:28 PM
Beaten Sensaless is the updated kind of shills
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05-16-2010 , 10:30 PM
They had the "genius" ideia, why to put people talking against them? Its mor easy if you put "insane" talking people and floodind people talking in the apparently same way...

Thats Beaten
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05-16-2010 , 10:38 PM
I didint know isle of man existed
Thats very suspicious...why pokerstars is not in UK?
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05-16-2010 , 10:39 PM
Why the pokerstar server is not in london?
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05-16-2010 , 10:40 PM
I believe more in london than Isle of Man...a ****ing country I have never heard about!
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05-16-2010 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by toltec444
I didint know isle of man existed
Thats very suspicious...why pokerstars is not in UK?
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Why the pokerstar server is not in london?
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I believe more in london than Isle of Man...a ****ing country I have never heard about!
I believe in the edit button more than all those things.

By the way, your ignorance in regard to places that exist in the world has no bearing on the qualifications of those places.

Last edited by NFuego20; 05-16-2010 at 10:46 PM. Reason: see, it works!
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05-16-2010 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
your ignorance in regard to places that exist in the world has no bearing on the qualifications of those places.
But has a lot of bearing on just how tupids he is.
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05-16-2010 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
I believe in the edit button more than all those things.

By the way, your ignorance in regard to places that exist in the world has no bearing on the qualifications of those places.
Man....Isle of Man dont exist in any history book or education library...its a ****ing **** hole for taxes impostor!!
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05-16-2010 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Nutz?
But has a lot of bearing on just how tupids he is.
You gonna talk me about geography? Are you from USA?
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05-16-2010 , 11:17 PM
No, I'm not that smart. This is the first time I have seen you. But saying you don't know a place exists, that apparently has been around since the begging of time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of...mes_to_present

Then go spouting off about why the servers are not in London. Then you post three times in a row with 1 sentence replies, instead of using the edit button. And on top of it all you are arguing with a long time member/good poster, all signs point to you are a jackass. I'm just say'in.

Last edited by Got Nutz?; 05-16-2010 at 11:24 PM. Reason: just to make sure Nfuego wasn't lying about the edit working.
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05-17-2010 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Nutz?
No, I'm not that smart. This is the first time I have seen you. But saying you don't know a place exists, that apparently has been around since the begging of time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of...mes_to_present

Then go spouting off about why the servers are not in London. Then you post three times in a row with 1 sentence replies, instead of using the edit button. And on top of it all you are arguing with a long time member/good poster, all signs point to you are a jackass. I'm just say'in.

The population of Isle of Mann is 80k. Stars is it's claim to fame.

Russ Hamilton was a longtime member of the poker community in good standing.
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05-17-2010 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
The population of Isle of Mann is 80k. Stars is it's claim to fame.
As I said the first time you made this irrelevant claim:

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Originally Posted by Josem
Population of China is over 1billion, clearly, China should regulate the whole world, because they have the most people.
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05-17-2010 , 12:49 AM
Josem, Would you criminals please stop stealing from me? TIA


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05-17-2010 , 12:53 AM
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Population of China is over 1billion, clearly, China should regulate the whole world, because they have the most people.
1) I don't want lead in my aces

2) Isle of Mann's population is just a reperentative example. Stars may be the company who produces more income for the country than any other entity. The US usually won't completely f**k the consumer unless trillions are at stake.

3) China is notorious for hackers, India would be the clear choice.

4) With Vegas, the US has more to lose than ANY country should gaming improprieties arise.

5) It's not suprising toltec hasn't heard of IoM....who has? Stars is their claim to fame.
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05-17-2010 , 01:14 AM
wtf does population have anything to do with the regulatory regime of online poker?
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05-17-2010 , 01:14 AM
1) ?
2) I don't care, 2nd part, you are just wrong(yes I am US)
3) great now not only do all my phone calls to customer service go over there now you want my poker site too.
4) Go back to your statement about our Gov't not fu*king us, well I am feeling pretty fu*ked on this because they won't let Vegas regulate online poker
5) He's been a member for over a year and hasn't heard of them, Com'on MAN
6) that is your other account
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05-17-2010 , 01:33 AM
There is not a doubt in my mind that Stars' 3X turbos are statistically "rigged" to increase the prize pool. I have probably played 50-100 of these, and the bigger stack wins with with such regularity when approaching the add-on period that it is beyond statistically impossible when compared to the expected outcomes. I just ran a small sample of 200 hands that took place in the last six levels prior to the add-on in 3X turbos recently where the big stack was an underdog of between 19-40% when the chips were in (this included both heads up and multiway), and found that the larger stack won 127 of those hands. Even with a small sample size, the probability of this happening is FAR less than 1%.

I can understand why Stars would do this, as sometimes these tournaments struggle to meet the guarantee and this helps to increase the prize pool.
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05-17-2010 , 01:37 AM
Thank god for this thread, imagine if this guy actually posted in the forums.
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05-17-2010 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Nutz?
Thank god for this thread, imagine if this guy actually posted in the forums.
If you are referring to me, you might want to rethink. No need to post vitas on what is primarily an under 25, uneducated, chest pumping forum, but I am ABD from a top 20 US doctoral school that required extremely rigorous statistical coursework on top of a two day comps section in methods.

If I wanted to run a full data analysis using the parameters I mentioned in the post above I'm certain I would show some pretty damning evidence. I don't wish to do this and post it separately for three reasons:
1) I believe Stars offers the best live tournament qualifiers and I don't want to ruin a good thing (and yes, you can be a winning player and still come out and claim that certain aspects are statistically "fixed" at a site),
2) Why further cause panic when sites like Cereus manage to royally **** up and terrify John Q Public with something new every month, and...
3) I'm simply too damn lazy to spend a couple of hours further data mining and running it.

Pip pip cheerio...
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05-17-2010 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyIllini
I don't wish to do this and post it separately for three reasons:
1) I believe Stars offers the best live tournament qualifiers and I don't want to ruin a good thing (and yes, you can be a winning player and still come out and claim that certain aspects are statistically "fixed" at a site),
2) Why further cause panic when sites like Cereus manage to royally **** up and terrify John Q Public with something new every month, and...
So you want to let a few people know; you'd just prefer it not to become common knowledge?

Why post it at all?
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05-17-2010 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyIllini
If I wanted to run a full data analysis using the parameters I mentioned in the post above I'm certain I would show some pretty damning evidence. I don't wish to do this and post it separately for three reasons:
1) I believe Stars offers the best live tournament qualifiers and I don't want to ruin a good thing (and yes, you can be a winning player and still come out and claim that certain aspects are statistically "fixed" at a site),
2) Why further cause panic when sites like Cereus manage to royally **** up and terrify John Q Public with something new every month, and...
3) I'm simply too damn lazy to spend a couple of hours further data mining and running it.
LOL, this is the best riggie excuse ever! "I could prove conclusively that its rigged, I just don't want to!"
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