I wasn't implying you were a tard, just that I think people who think it's rigged and still play are more ******ed than people who think it's not rigged.

thats just one or two that the public knows of at the moment. the title and question in the thread is "do you think online poker is rigged?" well if one or two are, then yes it is rigged. not to mention to every day talk about bots, which in a sense doesnt mean the site is rigged but that there are elements within the site that can be rigged...

and im not trying to gain traction on the accusation...just that the people who swear by online poker and its legitimacy are just as open to criticism as the ones who claim its bogusness. you have no proof, just as I dont on the contrary, that tilt/stars/etc are 100% legit.

and im not a player that takes bad beats then runs with the whole rigged talk...i actually think the hand dealing is perfectly normal, i assume and hope, on the major sites....but to think there arent holes for hackers or scams, i just cannot do. so even if a major site detects a bot and freezes the account, its still the sites fault the bot was there in the first place, hence the rigged talk.

Perhaps you would care to let us in on any ideas you have on the subject so that we could subject them to independent scrutiny and see if there is actually an easy way to detect them?

This thread is about whether the sites are rigged, not about superusers of bots.

We all know about the superusers and we all know about bots (and we all know about colluders, come to that).

What no one has ever presented is the tiniest piece of evidence that the RNG or deal is rigged.

Do you have such evidence?

well i think superusers and bots are part of the rigged debate....but my mistake if we are ONLY talking about RNG or deal.

So, when a Political election is rigged....? It's means their RNG was statistically manipulated?

Who came up with this definition? I think we need a poll...

There are other threads to discuss collusion, superusers and bots.

This is a containment thread for those who wish to claim that the deal is rigged in some way or another.

Plenty of people have done just that and we are, at the moment, just waiting for them to get back to us with the evidence so that we can blow the whole thing wide open.

However, the thread is only about 20 months old so we need to give people a bit of time.

Stop your wittering.

There are plenty of threads for discussing other matters.

This one is about rigging the deal.

Except when some overexcited rigtard feels the need to spew random nonsense into it.

so if a bot walked into a B&M undetected its not the B&M fault they didnt spot it?

Wat?

You may have missed it, its burried deep in this thread, but I told a story way back where I saw the superduperbot at my local casino. You should constantly be on the lookout for this guy:



Approach with caution!


Beaten: Spadebidder did a challenge a bit more advanced than yours awhile back, there was some interesting discussion, you may be able to dig it up.

I think your interlocutor is being deliberately obtuse.

Probably best to just ignore him.

hahahahaha!

QPW,
When it pertains to a customer questioning the integrity of their online poker sites,(like the guy from Waterboy), it was only a matter of time that you were going to be the only one in here beating your chest, screaming bull**** from the back of the crowd.
I wish I was brainwashed like you. To see all the beautiful colors, while I'm only seeing black and white. I am envious, despite the common sense and logic you demonstrate, you're in a fanatical dream world disconnected from reality.

Life's good.

You have to admit; they really have got the stealth technology down pat.

How you can extract that from a post that simply tells you you are off topic for the thread is puzzling, to say the least.

my claim is that bots and superusers are part of the whole rigged talk. you shouldnt really seprate bots/superusers from card dealing. the sites are responsible for 100% game legitimacy and if there are bots floating around undetected then the site is rigged. now those bots arent going to rig the 99.99999% of gameplay but that small percentage does have an impact, whether or not its you it doesnt matter.

Sites and their forums are split to make it easy for people to find the discussions in which they are interested.

In this forum we have threads about superusers, threads about collusion, threads about bots and threads about all sorts of other things.

This particular thread is about rigging the deal in some way.

If you want to discuss the other matters there is every facility for you to do so right in this very forum.

It's just not the topic for this thread.

This thread is insufferably long and we started merging every discussion of bots and superusers in it it would be more so. The primary thing being discussed here are the claims of people like this seahog guy who make wild accusations about the RNG and the deal and refuse to back it up. The reason all such threads get merged here or continue here is specifically because the accusations always turn out to be baseless. Baseless discussions don't need their own threads.

Collusion and bot discussions seem to not get out of control, I guess, and at times are entirely legitimate. No reason to bring them into this thread.
It just muddies up the discussion. We prefer to muddy up the discussion with brainless insults.

This thread is NOT about the integrity of online poker in general. However, if you have particular concerns about a bot problem or suspected collusion, why not start a new thread? However, you will be asked whether you contacted the site to ask them to investigate. So I would start off there.

Ok, Rigged theorys:

The biggest fear of an online poker player:

[ ]Deal(RNG) is rigged for them to lose.

[ ]opponets can view their hole cards, undisplayed community cards

[ ]Bots and AI

Their biggest fear is almost certainly losing their entire bankroll.

Which is a legitimate concern - it's just not the topic of this thread.

I no longer play poker(online or live). I've had my share of success online and barring "bad runs" live also. I started during the booming years of party, bonus whoring, and so on...the time when you didn't have to grind at minimum 16 plus tables at once, and manage breakeven at that volume to maximize vip or rb rewards for profit.

If I had known in the beginning the real "moneymaker" in this game was the "business of poker" I would have taken a diff approach for profit.

I live in one of the largest cities in the US and have played at one of the top underground games in that city. The type of guys who run cardrooms in general are not the kind of guys you trust beyond your eye sight.

I believe the level of integrity in the management of online poker is on par with or below that of underground cardroom management.

Due to the fact that "you are connected to their servers" so be a big red flag.

The amount of liberty a system admin has to manipulate data is unlimited. Who knows? There's possibly dedicated admins per server, and the admins sarlary is commision based. Commission=total rake+bot revenue. Just an imaginary scenario. The siphoning of revenue by online rooms is in my opinion unlimited.

With our favorite pros endorsing they generate more selling power, the overall addictiveness of online poker, the greed of the "want it now" generation, and zero independent governing regulation.

It appears to be a bottomless pot of gold.

just a few thoughts on online poker

The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

If you can get a mod to change the title, I will concede. Otherwise it's your judgement. You have 8 hours to comply.

I'm a little confused as to why you would even want to force discussion of off topic things here.

There are plenty of threads to discuss the topics you mention.

Why would you want to disperse discussions so that people can no longer find what they are looking for simply by choosing the right thread(s)?

TK: we've been through this before. What's the point of bringing in bot talk or superusing into this thread? Really, all you're going to do is not have the greater community see that stuff since most members ignore this thread. If you want propper attention paid to bots and collusion and superusers you should want it in its own thread.

Siminlarly,if anyone did post something legit in this thread, it would immediately be bumped out and form its own thread.