The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 83 - Internet Poker

really? 'cause I had a similar hand yesterday.

EP LAGtard opens for 3.5bb's; I re-pop OTB for about 9bb's. Flop comes T high, rainbow. LAGtard bets about 3/4 pot, I bet enough to put him all in. He tanks and finally calls w/77.

River = 7

wtf?

Rigged ..

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04-12-2009 , 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Nutz?

OK I can't win on FTP and I know it's rigged !!! I want to e mail my HH to a reg and have them look @ my play then tell me how it's not rigged !!!

Post a few in here mate.

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04-12-2009 , 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Karnage

I was going to post this in the BBV thread "Pokerstars is RIGGED", but felt it didnt really have a place in what will quickly become a "Yes, it is" - "No, it isnt" - "You're a Nazi" flamefest....

To be fair, at least this guys post isn't riddled with stupidity like most rigatrds but as usual there is no actual content and some seriously flawed logic.

If you rigtards are incapable of keeping records / providing data yourselves, how about you tell us EXACTLY how things are being rigged and maybe people will try and provide some data of their own.

Last edited by Bingo_Boy; 04-12-2009 at 12:59 PM. Reason: It will prove nothing but might shut you up??

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04-12-2009 , 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy

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04-12-2009 , 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Karnage

That Stars dont have anything to gain is false too, given that they make money through rake. The most obvious point is that keeping poor players in the game means there are more games and more rake. They dont have to make these poor players win money, they just have to ensure that the poor players get a buzz from winning every now and then. If a player has consistently lost money, how hard would it be to let them suck out in a big pot every now and then?

that theory would apply to live cardrooms as well, no? in fact - here's why I feel the temptation would be higher for them...

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Originally Posted by Markusgc

wouldn't the motivation to "rig" the deal so as to make more money be exactly the same for a cardroom as an online site? in fact, wouldn't it be easier with only a few hundred tables and a couple thousand players? wouldn't the need to do such a thing be higher, since an online room with more players and more tables = more rake?

the live cardrooms gotta pay the bills too! online sites don't have to air condition the place for all their players or vacuum up the crud they leave all over the floor after eating greasy sandwiches at the table and sucking down all the free drinks (paid for by the house...) for hours on end. also, somebody's gotta clean the bathrooms - plus toilet paper and them pucks in the urinals ain't free either...

the most frequent motive mentioned as to why an online site would rig the deal is greed. it seems to me that with operating costs lower and volume of play higher, sites would be more profitable, thus less likely to be greedy enough to jeopardize their reputation.

if the reason they'd do it is to increase profitability, then that same skepticism needs to be applied to every single business in any industry where extra money can be made by doing something dishonest.

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04-12-2009 , 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by omaha

I totally agree with the above poster. After all, he had his son AND A NOTEPAD to check him out.

Do not underestimate the power of the notepad!

Yes, he does suck. The complete argument lacks the most essential component. What is to be gained for PS an FT?

If this question is not explored, and explained in a plausible manner, then the whole argument becomes simple paranoia and medication may be the answer.

So for the "hard of thinking" paranoid (or unlucky?) losers who feel that they are being played a trick on:

1. These sites are NOT the players you play. They merely charge entry fees etc.... and they make a bundle doing that. So what stands to be gained by screwing you in particular (and maybe ur son, if he has your poker genes)? Nothing.

2. Everything about frequency of hands being played online vs. a casino.

3. The sin of memory where the negative stands out. This is not only in poker, but a general find in cognitive psychology: The mind focuses on bad experiences so that we can learn from them and avoid them in the future. You should learn more from your play, probably.

4. How can such a childish claim come from someone old enough to have a son? Or even a fully functioning reproductive organ?

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04-12-2009 , 05:48 PM

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is there any winning players that think stars is rigged?

I know a player who won over 200K on full tilt, and few month after said it was rigged, becouse after he cashed out to buy a couple of cards

he could not win anything ever since.

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04-12-2009 , 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by craigmd

is there any winning players that think stars is rigged?

is there any winning players who wouldn't keep their mouths shut even if they think it's rigged 'cause it's their main resource of income? is there any winning players who think that their winnings are beeing limited by site, but they keep their mouths shut 'cause they still can make solid money? and is there any winning players who read this section of forum or this thread? and i don't talk about winning players who make 1000$ a month, i talk about WINNING players.

i wonder if we could somehow provide anonymous poll where WINNING players with live and online playing experience would give their opinion about online poker. how could we do that?

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04-12-2009 , 06:49 PM

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winning player love the game also if afew BB are stolen

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04-12-2009 , 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lenasrokas

i wonder if we could somehow provide anonymous poll where WINNING players with live and online playing experience would give their opinion about online poker. how could we do that?

if only there were an anonymous poll option on this forum.

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04-12-2009 , 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Markusgc

if only there were an anonymous poll option on this forum.

no i mean it like this - let's say trusted forum member (some mod for example) registers new e-mail address. he contacts 25 or more WINNING players (which we choose in this thread) and he gives to each of those players this e-mail (username and password) so they could log in. then they send from this e-mail to mod's e-mail their anonymous opinion about is online poker rigged or not. this way everyone stays anonymous and trusted person who will receive e-mails will not falsify information.

wacha think guys?

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04-12-2009 , 07:19 PM

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:-| Confused, there are websites outsides that can provide anonymous polls.

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04-12-2009 , 07:25 PM

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why doesn't someone just round up everyone's HH that builds up to at least 100 million(preferably greater) hands and analyze it? I've only seen examples of people analyzing their own HH which isn't enough. everyone should just do this for every poker site and then it should in theory prove whether it's rigged or not. however, it could also just prove that the RNG isn't good, so it wouldn't necessarily prove it's rigged. a lot of factors.

I'm sure I'm not the only one with this idea so someone should just do it.

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04-12-2009 , 07:25 PM

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:-| Confused, there are websites outsides that can provide anonymous polls.

for example?

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04-12-2009 , 07:27 PM

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for example?

http://free*************.com

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04-12-2009 , 07:29 PM

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You wont find anything, and even if you do they will come up to a conclusion that it is due to cards that was dealt to other players.

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04-12-2009 , 07:50 PM

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I cant win on ftp either

, The players are worse than anywhere else, and i cant beat them.Yesterday on the bubble with 1 player left to go i got JJ UTG, i thout .. I wont raise it becouse i know someone will have AA or KK so i limped. MP1 raised, button reraised all in. JJ into a muc. Next hand. I am in the bb with K8os. 1 limper and the sb completes. Flop KQ8 2 clubs. SB min bets (WTF ??) I put a decent raise, limper folds, SB calls. I left to my self about 8K chips behind becouse i knew what the turn card will be .. And SB call, turn Qc and sb goes all in. Ok, that one was easy to fold. Last hand i am in sb. Got AKs, UTG limps, 1 more player limps. I shove my stack, UTG calls with AQ -.-. River Q. I know it happens ... Thats probably just variance or something ;D but the same storry repeats all the time.

FYP elsewhere, your wasting everybodies time.

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04-12-2009 , 08:03 PM

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So the Internet is full of claims of rigging online poker. Forget about the hearsay. Consider the next 10 images (or so) from the recent
FT20090413 50 FTP Sat to $1 Million Sat - (87423793) with an open mind ...

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04-12-2009 , 08:20 PM

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04-12-2009 , 08:26 PM

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FYP elsewhere, your wasting everybodies time.

www.getalife.com

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04-12-2009 , 08:27 PM

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So ?

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04-12-2009 , 08:27 PM

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So what are the chances of getting AA in 4 out of 5 hands

P(AA) = 4/52 * 3/51 = 1/221
P(4x AA) = 1/221 * 1/221 * 1/221 * 1/221 = 1/2,385,443,281
P(4x AA in 5 hands) = 5 * 220/221 * 1/2,385,443,281 = 1/479,257,241

So that's not a very likely event