I will say, you are quite comical...I personally liked the "say no to drugs comment..."

But, why do you guys take the arguement/debate so personally?

Are you a US based player?

Unfortunatly, in order to keep conversation honest, I could side with a business apppointing "shills" to represent their site on this forum, and especially this thread. The problem is alot of us are so amp'd up on things being rigged and/or dishonest, we fail to see the impact this thread has on the sites that are honest and spend boat loads of money to protect their customers.
The shady sites do nothing but negate the hard work and money put forth by the trustworthy sites.
So shills, "come on out of the closet...."

I'm sure the above will go a long way to persuade people of your case.

Well up to the your usual level of clarity, BS.

Do you have any evidence that any 'guys' take this personally?

Would you like to argue the case that it would be in any shady site's best interest to help give this thread the prominence it has by actually encouraging people to post on it.

Wouldn't it's best option be to ignore it so that it just looked to be exactly what it was: A bunch of bad poker players with very poor statistical skills bleating and whining about how unfair itall is?

Confirmed:

[x]Not from the US

[x]Hypocrite

[]Dunning-Kruger effect

[ ]Rational

As always, tk1133, it's so simple to answer one of your puerile posts.

All I have to do is ask you exactly how you justify yet more wild assertions.

I fear it's pointless, though, because I don't think you actually understand the concept of logical debate. All you can do is make wild, unsupported, assertions.


Please answer the following:

1) How have you, since asking the question, determined that I'm not from the US?

2) How is that relevant to the debate concerning the rigging of on line poker?

3) Please state any justification for being confused about whether the Dunning-Kruger effect is relevant here.

Remember, just answer the questions in a simple, logical, manner. Shouting 'shill' or 'hypocrite' or any other ad-hominem isn't going to cut it.

Monteroy? Is this your second account?

Nothing has changed in this thread. Just some different names.

UPDATE: Since re balancing my poker portfolio to 95% live and 5% internet, I am winning again! I guess you just need to stop shouting "Rigged" and find the best investment allocation for your own personal strengths.

I did multi table micro cash game on FT recently and turned a modest $26 deposit into whopping $250. (hooray! Mittens the cat gets his operation!)Felt way different to me than tournaments. Not sure why...

No one is doubting that they have a vested interest.

I am highlighting the remarkable hypocrisy and idiocy of your post. Let's recount the chain of events:

1) One of your rigtard associates, Mumutrader, gets caught out rigging the pole in this thread.

2) People discuss this.

3) You blindly assert, with no evidence, that the online poker sites could be rigging the pole.

4) I pick you up on this deceit.

It's your rigtard associates who were caught rigging the pole by voting multiple times, sunshine.

If your mates get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, it highlights how little integrity you have to simply claim that someone else did it - without evidence, and despite the fact that your mates got caught.

But it can be proven. This is yet another lie from a lying liar that lies.

We have muppets coming in here every other day claiming that they have observed the rigging that comes in. How can you claim to have observed something while claiming it is unobservable? That's just idiotic.

Further, on the issue of rigging the pole, We have incontrovertible proof that your rigtard mates were caught rigging the pole in this very thread.

If you or your rigtard associates had integrity, they wouldn't stuff the ballot box by voting multiple times. I have multiple accounts on 2p2: I have only voted once (which you can check easily enough). I only voted once because I have integrity. Your rigtard mates voted multiple times because they are cheats, scumbags, and have no integrity.
But it is provable.

Cheating has been proven in online poker:
There were allegations of cheating at Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet. Because I have integrity and rely upon evidence, I proved that there was cheating. I have no special skills in this stuff - I just spent the time to look into my suspicions. All I did was copy some stuff into MS Excel and applied some simple formulae, made a pretty picture, and that was that.

Cheating has been proven in the rigging of the thread pole:
People looked to see who had voted, and your rigtard mates got caught rigging the pole.

Anyone who claims that it is impossible to prove online poker is rigged is a lying liar that lies. Of course it is possible, as evidenced by the fact that it has been proven at sites like Planet Poker (and, depending on your definition of 'rigged', sites like UB and AP).

You need to stop lying like a lying liar that lies. It's fine to be ignorant: but stop passing your ignorance off as knowledge.

Online poker at Planet Poker was proven to be rigged.

Systemic cheating by the owners + operators of Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet was proven.

I'm not sure exactly what happened at Pitbull Poker (I never read those threads much) but there was certainly some dodgy activity there.

Of course you can't prove something that is false.

To be fair, they're mostly the same names

still no results from Krytestorme?

Still can't spell his name?

He'll do that when the sun rises in the West.

Please make a short list of your "legitimate claims". Keep it short and precise and let's see how good you are at writing out what concerns you the most. You shouldn't rush it.. take your time.



I will be back later and am looking forward to seeing your reply.

I don't think the shills should come out of the closet to benefit legitimate online poker, they should just quietly stop.

If they truly wanted to benefit legitimate online poker, they would assist riggies in attempts to prove poker is rigged. When avenue after avenue were exhausted, their case for legitimacy would carry more merit. The sites they are working for being rigged is the only logical conclusion.

It is possible the sites that hired them just misstepped, or over-estimated their inept lackeys.

As it stands, they only benefit a site that is rigged and soil honest poker sites(and poker in general).

Getting a little ahead of yourself, aren't you?

You've yet to show any persuasive evidence that there are any shills.

But that is just what the two people with most posts in this thread have done.

Both Spade and Q made investigations of hands.

ROFLMAO!

That word, 'logical' doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

When you provide some evidence that there actually are any shill or that there actually is any rigging the above nonsense might seem less like the inane rantings of paranoid moron.

[QUOTE] If they are "poker site shills," which sites would they presumably work for. Obviously you'd speculate the big 2. Now of all the sites accepting US players, wouldn't you agree that they'd be the least likely to cheat you? Therefore if those 2 sites employ "shills," perhaps they are leveling out the playing field. As we have the right to make accusations without evidence, the honest ones should reserve the right to defend themselves in any way, despite normal protocal.

Now, the difference that and your theory...
One could speculate that these shills, don't act on behalf of the poker site, but are protecting their own unethical activities. Naturally if a group hacked a poker site, and the site's security couldn't catch them. The last thing you want is public suspicion.

Yes.

Everybody has the right to act like a complete douchebag. Making accusations without evidence is a pretty reprehensible activity.

But I'm sure the pokersites will endure your contumely.


There really is little hope for you.

Once paranoia has got that good a grip there is very little that can be done short of surgical neurological intervention.

We see how you spend your time, Wiki, and needn't point out who is hopeless.

Get a hobby, like playing poker.

Accusations without evidence, is just as reprehensible as me starting an online poker site and claiming everything to be fair and secure. You ask me to show you proof, and I tell you to "**** off...morals and ethics prevent me from cheating my customers of a foriegn country."

I don't know about your 3rd world country, but that's not the way America works.

And I see that you take full advantage of that right.

Which poker site told you to **** off when you asked if their games were fair and secure?

And guys ......


I haven't won any money today. Looks like poker sites might be rigged in some way. I don't know what way and can't present anything to show the rigging .... but it seems rigged, I haven't won any $ today.

FYP and every single one; notice I wrote "proof" as opposed to "evidence."