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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,508 34.88%
No
5,615 55.84%
Undecided
933 9.28%

04-28-2010 , 06:45 PM
So, is it rigged then or what ?
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04-28-2010 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
So you don't like the way I played that one. OK. Throw the riggie theory and play like this:


Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000/t2000 Blinds + t200 - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t117256 M = 30.86
BTN: t38569 M = 10.15
Hero (SB): t36986 M = 9.73
BB: t77189 M = 20.31

Pre Flop: (t3800) Hero is SB with Q Q
CO calls t2000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t14000, 1 fold, CO calls t12000

Flop: (t30800) Q 5 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t10000, Hero calls t10000
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04-28-2010 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
If you're going to repeatedly post this dishonest crap:


...yhen it is worth remembering that your post was in response to proof that rigtards had been caught rigging the poll in this thread.

That is your colleagues - who spread their malicious slander and blame a massive international conspiracy because they are bad at poker - were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, trying to fix the poll.

Now, an honest man would respond to this cheating by your associates, and would recognise that they did the wrong thing by trying to cheat the poll. However, you're not an honest man. You're intellectually bankrupt, so instead of being honest, you throw slander and mud at people where there is no evidence to support your false lies.

As I said in response at the time:
Josem, do you actually assume I read the 19,000 posts in this thread previous to posting here?
Do you believe any rigge has?
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04-28-2010 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
Josem, do you actually assume I read the 19,000 posts in this thread previous to posting here?
Do you believe any rigge has?
No.

Also, I don't see what that has to do with my post.
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04-29-2010 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
Josem, do you actually assume I read the 19,000 posts in this thread previous to posting here?
I don't even think you read the posts to which you respond.

Not properly, anyway. Not with any degree of comprehension.

As the above quoted post demonstrates very clearly.
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04-29-2010 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
So you don't like the way I played that one. OK. Throw the riggie theory and play like this:


Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000/t2000 Blinds + t200 - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t117256 M = 30.86
BTN: t38569 M = 10.15
Hero (SB): t36986 M = 9.73
BB: t77189 M = 20.31

Pre Flop: (t3800) Hero is SB with Q Q
CO calls t2000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t14000, 1 fold, CO calls t12000

Flop: (t30800) Q 5 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t10000, Hero calls t10000

Turn: (t50800) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t14000, Hero calls t12786 all in

River: (t76372) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Pre-flop raise is a little big but depending on the opponent can be fine ... but I think it should be a bit smaller.

Bet the flop. Should probably bet the flop with about 100% of your range here.

Though actually with the stacks so ridiculously short (you have 22K left in a 30K pot, right?) checking this flop is alright particularly if he can tend to get bluffy. I'd just shove after he bets though .... it'd be just over a minshove and don't want him checking back draws on the turn plus he'll be unlikely to bluff air on the turn since you'd be getting just over 5 to 1 and the perception is that you would basically never be folding.

The crazy stack sizes on the flop make this kinda an awkward situation when you have air ..... though the only air you should really ever have would be AK and maybe AJ and it shouldn't be too bad with those hands --> either open shove or if the guy calls very loose pre and gets very bluffy when checked to then check/shove.


Not sure what your point is though.

Last edited by Lego05; 04-29-2010 at 03:46 AM.
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04-29-2010 , 05:56 AM
I'm a few days behind; are the Focus On The Family shills still in here trying to discredit online poker?
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04-29-2010 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I'm a few days behind; are the Focus On The Family shills still in here trying to discredit online poker?
What's the focus when I'm not around?
Seriously?
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04-29-2010 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
What's the focus when I'm not around?
Seriously?
How will you know?

If you can't understand the posts in question what makes you think you will be able to understand the precis?
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04-29-2010 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
What's the focus when I'm not around?
Seriously?
They're Christian Bible thumpers that are against poker and gambling.
"Poker is the devil"

I'm glad to see that QPW's new Gimmick account is still going strong...
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04-29-2010 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
They're Christian Bible thumpers that are against poker and gambling.
Can you provide a single link to back that up?

Or are you just spewing your usual nonsense?
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04-29-2010 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
How will you know?

If you can't understand the posts in question what makes you think you will be able to understand the precis?
That's not evasive.
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04-29-2010 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
That's not evasive.
For once, you are correct. It isn't.
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04-29-2010 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
They're Christian Bible thumpers that are against poker and gambling.
"Poker is the devil"

I'm glad to see that QPW's new Gimmick account is still going strong...
I don't think any of them are really poker players.
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04-29-2010 , 11:03 AM
Funny thing watching an old episode of Numbers and the Math guys were saying there is no such thing as a Random Number Generator. They said show me any RNG and ill show you a pattern.
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04-29-2010 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Funny thing watching an old episode of Numbers and the Math guys were saying there is no such thing as a Random Number Generator. They said show me any RNG and ill show you a pattern.

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
I don't think any of them are really poker players.

Wow you posted something someone could use
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04-29-2010 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
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Originally Posted by tk1133
They're Christian Bible thumpers that are against poker and gambling.
"Poker is the devil"

I'm glad to see that QPW's new Gimmick account is still going strong...
Can you provide a single link to back that up?

Or are you just spewing your usual nonsense?
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/soci.../gambling.aspx

Unless you meant BS being QPW's monkey account, in which case, mea culpa.

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Originally Posted by Lozen
Funny thing watching an old episode of Numbers and the Math guys were saying there is no such thing as a Random Number Generator. They said show me any RNG and ill show you a pattern.
They also had an episode where "hackers" hang out in "IRC" and speak "1337" to each other, but thankfully Ameda could translate. Or, more simply put, it's a TV drama, not a documentary.
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04-29-2010 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
If you're going to repeatedly post this dishonest crap:


...yhen it is worth remembering that your post was in response to proof that rigtards had been caught rigging the poll in this thread.

That is your colleagues - who spread their malicious slander and blame a massive international conspiracy because they are bad at poker - were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, trying to fix the poll.

Now, an honest man would respond to this cheating by your associates, and would recognise that they did the wrong thing by trying to cheat the poll. However, you're not an honest man. You're intellectually bankrupt, so instead of being honest, you throw slander and mud at people where there is no evidence to support your false lies.

As I said in response at the time:
This post of Josem's is closer to malicious, slanderous mudslinging than anything i've ever posted, I think.

To be unwilling to consider that poker sites have a vested interest in this thread, viewed nearly 1 million times, is "legitimately" intellectually bankrupt.
To deduce that paying people to control what has been viewed so often is logical.

To repeatedly demand proof of something that cannot be proven is disengenuous.

To berate someone for not proving the unprovable is pretentious and cowardly.
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04-29-2010 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TheRealIABoomer
Oh, I see.

I thought tk1133 was saying that people in this thread were bible thumpers.

It's sometimes very hard to follow the line of rigtard thinking but I see now it all related back to something Bobo said..
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04-29-2010 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I'm a few days behind; are the Focus On The Family shills still in here trying to discredit online poker?
It's not the riggies in this thread who discredit online poker. They question it.
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04-29-2010 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
This post of Josem's is closer to malicious, slanderous mudslinging than anything i've ever posted, I think.
You think a lot of nonsensical things.

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To be unwilling to consider that poker sites have a vested interest in this thread, viewed nearly 1 million times, is "legitimately" intellectually bankrupt.
IF they were bothered the last thing they'd do is pay peopleto ensure it gets even more prominance.

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To deduce that paying people to control what has been viewed so often is logical.
It's actually quite illogical.

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To repeatedly demand proof of something that cannot be proven is disengenuous.
It can easily be proven that a rigged deal is rigged.

Obviously it's impossible to prove that a deal that is not rigged is rigged. Is that where you have a problem?

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To berate someone for not proving the unprovable is pretentious and cowardly.
And yet that is what the rigtards do all the time. They ask for proof that the deal is not rigged which is asking for proof of a negative which is generally considered impossible.

Thus the rigtards are, according to your own rules, 'pretentious and cowardly'. (Although I don't think you actually know what 'pretentious' means.)
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04-29-2010 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
I'm stupider than anything i've ever posted, I think.

I decoded the riggie talk using MSRiggie v2.2

Last edited by LVGambler; 04-29-2010 at 11:48 AM.
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04-29-2010 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless
It's not the riggies in this thread who discredit online poker.
Only because of their incompetence and poor logic skills.
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04-29-2010 , 11:47 AM
[/QUOTE]You forgot

To provide no proof while accusing poker sites of wrong doing and calling anyone who asks for proof [of such wrong doings] a shill is rigtardation.

To repeatedly dismiss basic English writing skills and comprehension is riggieful. [/QUOTE]

Question and accuse have different meanings. You might comprehend that if you would stick with shwag.

[/QUOTE]To not give up on a lost cause even when you know you're beat is beaten senseless.

[/QUOTE]

I gave up pretty quickly. Should I truly seek proof, I'll buy a URL. Keep tempting me.
Just trying to shed light to people who come to this thread and wonder why they get such a hostile reception for asking honest questions and voicing legitimate fears.

Last edited by Beaten Senseless; 04-29-2010 at 11:48 AM. Reason: My logic is sound and true. My 2+2 editing skills...
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04-29-2010 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki

It can easily be proven that a rigged deal is rigged.

Obviously it's impossible to prove that a deal that is not rigged is rigged. Is that where you have a problem?
No, it can't easily be done. There are millions of way a site could be rigged. If you knew exactly how it was rigged, THEN it would be easy to prove.

Although you miss the context of the post(you do that alot). I was really suggesting that, while it appears obvious, it's impossible to PROVE many posters in this thread are paid employees of poker sites.

I was suggesting that, without cause, berating people is a pretentious and cowardly act(unless they're retarted or in a wheelchair, right? Huh?). I am sorry if I offended you.

Last edited by Beaten Senseless; 04-29-2010 at 12:07 PM. Reason: Further beratement was due....
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