The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 799 - Internet Poker

I would be interested, however, in hearing if any other players share my perception re. quads on Pokerstars and if this has been discussed elsewhere.

Sorry for rambling, I'm just curious...

As senior acting graveyard De facto "rigtard", let me be the first to welcome you.

This kinda highlights one'a my points. This thread, or at least some thread at 2+2, should be a place where players can come to bounce suspicions off each other, looking for a common theme to investigate.
Usually, however, 10 people will post non-sensical, unnecessary refutations of any unusual observations or fears.

Personally, I haven't noticed "extra quads". If you are paying off these "quads", you are here just looking for an excuse for your poor play.
Your new/gimmicky account can't fool us.

Your post belongs in the psychology section. You might be insane.

Loser.

Last edited by Beaten Senseless; 04-22-2010 at 10:04 AM. Reason: had to tone it down

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04-22-2010 , 10:17 AM

#19952

BhoysAreUs

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

Nice welcome. And you had to tone it down.

First one on my "ignore" list, I reckon.

Cheers, the "loser".

P.S. read my whole post before kneejerking.

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04-22-2010 , 10:18 AM

#19953

Beaten Senseless

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Originally Posted by SwedishMedusa

This thread has shown that some rigtards will never be satisfied and keep coming up with "what if" theories ("what if the auditors are in on it" "what if the regulatory body is in on it" "what if the sites have superbots who can see all cards and switch usernames every day" "what if it's rigged in a way that I have noticed by observing a small sample of hands but could never ever be revealed by any form of statistical analysis" etc etc) that could never be proven (to them at least) false regardless of any regulation.

This shouldn't be a reason to not seek better regulations.

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04-22-2010 , 10:20 AM

#19954

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Originally Posted by BhoysAreUs

Nice welcome. And you had to tone it down.

First one on my "ignore" list, I reckon.

Cheers, the "loser".

P.S. read my whole post before kneejerking.

Sorry qpw, feel free to ignore me....but you will have to get on a waiting list.

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04-22-2010 , 10:30 AM

#19955

SwedishMedusa

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

This shouldn't be a reason to not seek better regulations.

No, the point is that the fact that some people are not happy is not a reason in itself to seek better regulations.

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04-22-2010 , 10:31 AM

#19956

ILikeBeer

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

As senior acting graveyard De facto "rigtard", let me be the first to welcome you.

This kinda highlights one'a my points. This thread, or at least some thread at 2+2, should be a place where players can come to bounce suspicions off each other, looking for a common theme to investigate.
Usually, however, 10 people will post non-sensical, unnecessary refutations of any unusual observations or fears.

Personally, I haven't noticed "extra quads". If you are paying off these "quads", you are here just looking for an excuse for your poor play.
Your new/gimmicky account can't fool us.

Your post belongs in the psychology section. You might be insane.

Loser.

Or rather they post comments refuting the non-sensical observations or fears. This thread is here for debating the issue. If you want a place where only your thoughts are expressed to the exclusion of all others then get a blog.

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Originally Posted by BhoysAreUs

Nice welcome. And you had to tone it down.

First one on my "ignore" list, I reckon.

Cheers, the "loser".

P.S. read my whole post before kneejerking.

There was some common sense in your first post-the rigtards cryptonite.
You could get your hand histories from stars and see how many quads there have been.

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04-22-2010 , 10:37 AM

#19957

Wiki

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

As senior acting graveyard De facto "rigtard" ...

Glad to see you admit that you are 'if fact' a ****** of the riggie persuasion.

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Usually, however, 10 people will post non-sensical, unnecessary refutations of any unusual observations or fears.

If the refutations were nonsensical or unnecessary then you are more than welcome to post logical, reasoned, argument that that is the case.

Any yet you don't. I wonder why.

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Your post belongs in the psychology section. You might be insane.

Well, I'm sure your personal experience of insanity stands you in good stead to make such a diagnosis.

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

Sorry qpw, feel free to ignore me....but you will have to get on a waiting list.

Why would QPW suddenly out himself as an ex employee of a poker site?

Anyway, it can't be QPW because BoysareUs says "I have only been playing on Stars since early February. I play four tables at a time and average around 30 hours a week on their tables." and it's well known that QPW doesn't play poker.

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04-22-2010 , 10:49 AM

#19958

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Anyway, it can't be QPW because BoysareUs says "I have only been playing on Stars since early February. I play four tables at a time and average around 30 hours a week on their tables." and it's well known that QPW doesn't play poker.

Good point, I hadn't thought of that.
How silly of me.
I should have offered evidence before wildly accusing like I always do.
Your logic is irrefutable, as always.
I am a domesticated housecat, or as smart as one.

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04-22-2010 , 10:54 AM

#19959

batair

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Originally Posted by tk1133

If it's rigged, there's nothing American customers can do about it.

Sure there is. Vote with your $$$ and only support sites that you find trustworthy or stop plying altogether if you don't trust any of them.

Last edited by batair; 04-22-2010 at 11:02 AM.

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04-22-2010 , 11:00 AM

#19960

Wiki

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

How silly of me.

Don't sweat it. We make allowances.

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I am a domesticated housecat, or as smart as one.

Careful. You might start getting delusions of adequacy.

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04-22-2010 , 01:07 PM

#19961

tk1133

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

WTF was that all about? This is how you welcome new posters? The guy took the time to share his experiences and opinions and you shoot off with this?
What if everybody here treated you like that for no reason?

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04-22-2010 , 01:08 PM

#19962

Beaten Senseless

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Careful. You might start getting delusions of adequacy.

No.
I know women.

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04-22-2010 , 01:36 PM

#19963

smithcommajohn

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Originally Posted by Wiki

...and it's well known that QPW doesn't play poker.

Me thinks Monteroy just outed his gimmick account.

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04-22-2010 , 01:41 PM

#19964

smithcommajohn

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Originally Posted by batair

Sure there is. Vote with your $$$ and only support sites that you find trustworthy or stop plying altogether if you don't trust any of them.

I don't know that I agree with you much, batair, but I do agree with this post 100%.

We still have the remnants of a free market here in the US and voting with your $$$ is the strongest message you can send.

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04-22-2010 , 01:55 PM

#19965

TwoMoos

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Originally Posted by NFuego20

Look guys I unrigged it:

Total hands: 592,226 (past 40 months, Full Tilt)

AA: 2,745 times, win 88.6%, +8.48 bb/hand
KK: 2,710 times, win 82.8%, +5.27 bb/hand
QQ: 2,731 times, win 75.2%, +3.95 bb/hand
JJ: 2,688 times, win 59.4%, +2.40 bb/hand
TT: 2,711 times, win 45.6%, +1.46 bb/hand

Nice numbers. Just curious, how many times did you receive 22 - 99?

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04-22-2010 , 01:59 PM

#19966

tk1133

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Originally Posted by smithcommajohn

Me thinks Monteroy just outed his gimmick account.

I Concurr

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04-22-2010 , 02:05 PM

#19967

Bingo_Boy

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Originally Posted by smithcommajohn

Anyone else have trouble with KK on Full Tilt?

Total Hands: 10365

AA: 34 times, win 91.18%, +2.27BB/Hand
KK: 50 times, win 64.00%, -1.77BB/Hand
QQ: 48 times, win 81.25%, +1.02BB/Hand
JJ: 44 times, win 68.18%, +1.01BB/Hand
TT: 49 times, win 57.14%, +1.99BB/Hand

Just for comparison, same playing style and tournament type on Absolute:

Total Hands: 4,348

AA: 16 times, win 87.50%, +10.35BB/Hand
KK: 13 times, win 100.00%, +2.43BB/Hand
QQ: 20 times, win 80.00%, +1.56BB/Hand
JJ: 24 times, win 70.83%, +2.28BB/Hand
TT: 23 times, win 56.52%, +0.32BB/Hand

I'm really tired of losing with KK on Full Tilt. Just lost again tonight with KK vs. K8s AIPF, that's like 88/12. Would have taken a decent chip advantage, but instead got knocked out... again. I'm thinking KK is cursed for me. Anyone else have trouble with this hand on Full Tilt?

Out of interest, what do you think is the "correct" win rate?

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

This kinda highlights one'a my points. This thread, or at least some thread at 2+2, should be a place where players can come to bounce suspicions off each other, looking for a common theme to investigate.
Usually, however, 10 people will post non-sensical, unnecessary refutations of any unusual observations or fears.

So if your observations are illogical or are blatently wrong you don't want anybody to explain that to you? You seem to want a one sided discussion where any opinion that differs to yours is considered non-sensical and unnecessary, even if it is factually correct.

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04-22-2010 , 02:08 PM

#19968

Wiki

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Originally Posted by smithcommajohn

Me thinks Monteroy just outed his gimmick account.

LOL!

Well it could be I suppose.

And the times I called him out were just camouflage.

Interesting thought.

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04-22-2010 , 02:12 PM

#19969

Wiki

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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy

So if your observations are illogical or are blatantly wrong you don't want anybody to explain that to you? You seem to want a one sided discussion where any opinion that differs to yours is considered non-nonsensical and unnecessary, even if it is factually correct.

That just about sums up the desires of most rigtards.

I suppose it's how you tell a dyed in the wool rigtard from a normal riggie:

A normal riggied welcomes discussion and explanations that throw light on their concerns.

A rigtard, on the other hand detests logic and explanation and rushes into absurd ad-hominen attacks and non-sequitur postings to try and put up a smoke-screen to deflect attention from their perilously weak arguments.

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04-22-2010 , 02:27 PM

#19970

Beaten Senseless

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tk, smithcomma.
You realize if we stick around here, our rake will get increased.
They're gonna hafta pay better shills.

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04-22-2010 , 02:29 PM

#19971

smithcommajohn

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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy

Out of interest, what do you think is the "correct" win rate? [for KK]

Obviously there is no "correct" win rate. I would guess a number between 80-90% would be average, though. How about you?

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04-22-2010 , 02:32 PM

#19972

Beaten Senseless

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Wiki...
Dincha get the memo?
We are going with a new formula.
Please report back to the office.

Last edited by Beaten Senseless; 04-22-2010 at 02:32 PM. Reason: To confuse the rigtards

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04-22-2010 , 02:35 PM

#19973

smithcommajohn

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Originally Posted by Wiki

LOL!

Well it could be I suppose.

And the times I called him out were just camouflage.

Interesting thought.

You're a pretty sneaky fargin' bastage, so I wouldn't doubt it.

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04-22-2010 , 03:09 PM

#19974

Wiki

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I think someone should PM Monteroy to inform him of this new line of speculation.

I'd love to see how he would handle it. If he's at all bothered, that is.