The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 771 - Internet Poker

Wrong...because as you are manipulating the distribution of cards and not the total frequency you can change the place or the variables you use to manipulate in a way you can keep the manipulation going full time but nonone will know where to look.

Thats my question.....Its a question...I would be pleased if someone give me a human answer.

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04-11-2010 , 02:12 AM

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tolec you just solved the online poker is riged question congrats

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04-11-2010 , 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Josem

That's the results of the most recent audit.

The regulators have the right to do random audits without notice any time on PokerStars. I don't know much about the regulatory environment that other sites operate under - for example, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission which "regulates" Absolute Poker, Ultimate Bet and Bodog will obviously have different rules.

I tried looking at their site....can you direct me to their deep resevoir of past random audits?

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04-11-2010 , 02:21 AM

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Let us think about a specific situation:

FD at the flop...you have 1:4 to make the flush...the site can choose when and to who they will give the flush or not and yet keep the 1:4 frequency.

Another way to think about it: If I get busted 3 times in a row going all in PF with AA thats ok, but if the site chosed to make me lose that 3 times and win the other 12 I will never know because in the total frequency its all right.

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04-11-2010 , 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by toltec444

Exactly, tolec. The only way to prove this is to consolidate experiences.
For emample, my luck has statistically gotten worse when I neared(85%) a "stellar reward" at stars from march 1st through today.

I am willing to bet money it is purely random luck, but if 50,000 riggies say the same thing, there is a basis to investigate.
The only way there will be progresion in this debate is to remove it from this debate....but I fear 2+2 will not allow a new thread.

You, me and "pooh" here at the same time is a fluke in and of itself. "Shills" are being woken up as we speak.

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04-11-2010 , 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pooflinger

tolec you just solved the online poker is riged question congrats

lol

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04-11-2010 , 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by toltec444

Let us think about a specific situation:

FD at the flop...you have 1:4 to make the flush...the site can choose when and to who they will give the flush or not and yet keep the 1:4 frequency.

Another way to think about it: If I get busted 3 times in a row going all in PF with AA thats ok, but if the site chosed to make me lose that 3 times and the other 12 I will never know because in the total frequency its all right.

very good post shills will have hard time with this

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04-11-2010 , 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by toltec444

I forgot the word win there

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04-11-2010 , 02:25 AM

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josem is on the phone with his boss right now .

"howard the rigtards have figured it out"

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04-11-2010 , 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pooflinger

josem is on the phone with his boss right now .

"howard the rigtards have figured it out"

lol

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04-11-2010 , 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

I tried looking at their site....can you direct me to their deep resevoir of past random audits?

archive.org probably archives it.

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04-11-2010 , 02:30 AM

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Im not saying this IS happening, but I like to think about how the game CAN be rigged, and thats my doubt.

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04-11-2010 , 02:33 AM

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The point I making is interesting because it is very close to the poker theory.

In poker what you do, you try to make things random to your oponent, but in fact it is not random, you are always looking for value.

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04-11-2010 , 02:36 AM

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well if these company are rigging the deal which they are

they are not goona let someone with grade 5 math figure it out

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04-11-2010 , 02:37 AM

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quote from "cigital"s website.............

"The most critical aspect of any online gaming system is its use of randomness. And the most
harmful rumors about online games are that they are not fair—that somehow the cards are
rigged against the players. These concerns, particularly if left unchecked, can decrease your
ability to attract new players and even reduce the confidence your current players have as to
the fairness of your games."

........hence the shills

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04-11-2010 , 02:39 AM

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cigital is rigged imo

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04-11-2010 , 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaten Senseless

........hence the shills

who?

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04-11-2010 , 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by toltec444

Answer?

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04-11-2010 , 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by toltec444

this

answer?

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04-11-2010 , 02:47 AM

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josem will you just admit online poker is rigged ?

even if you dont think it is just say it once make my night

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04-11-2010 , 02:49 AM

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Ok, I think we got to a reasonable state of conversation, so I will ask a question the most simple way I can:

If the site is manipulating the distribution of cards the site can choose where and when it will be manipulated....

Spade can see if the frequency of FD is totally right, but can he see if the frequency is right when the players involved have the S and R first letter at the nick?
How can someone find the manipulation without knowing where or when the site is doing it?

I will use an example outside poker to illustrate:

Lets say a company put in the market a new anti migraine drug, and this new drug (without anyone yet knowing) harms the heart?

The drug is marketed, everyone is using it and everything is going fine.

Some researchers make a work to see if this drugs affect the liver and find it has no effect in the liver its safe for the liver.

The drug keeps being marketed.

Then 10 years after the drug is in the market a group of researchers make a trial to see if the drug affects the heart, and what they discover, it harms the heart.

The point is, if they havent done that study about cardiac harm it would never be discovered.

Getting back to online poker, if the sites can manipulate the distribution of cards how can we detect it without knowing where they are manipulating it?

Another point, in the case of the anti migraine drug, it has a sistematically effect in the heart so the bigger the sample more visible it will get.

In the case of online poker we are talking about manipulation, that can be made and stopped at any time so the sample size dont matter.

Im quoting myself to not get forgotten...today is sunday and I will have a good time with my family, but I would love to understand the flaw in my argyument because I love knowledge, I love to think....

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04-11-2010 , 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Josem

who?

You want proof of shills?
Name some names?

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04-11-2010 , 02:51 AM

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These shills are real man? where did you get it?

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04-11-2010 , 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pooflinger

josem will you just admit online poker is rigged ?

But it isn't?

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