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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

04-07-2009 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
it's all about the timing that's how they get ya
yeah, at first - then they go and pull the rug out from under you!
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04-07-2009 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
Waht they veryfied (sic) was a randomness of their Random Number Generators.
and
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Now, it is checked once in the year after geting a licence.
You're mistaken with these statements and should research it before you make these claims. The agencies that regulate the largest sites require any changes to the game software to be submitted for additional review. They do not just check the RNG, they check that the shuffling and dealing code actually deals cards randomly. And they perform other checks to see that the game is fair. Of course none of this guarantees that the site isn't rigged, but it is one more thing that reduces the likelihood.

Some of the smaller sites with less stringent regulatory requirements may do only what you describe, some not even that. I'd suggest you look at some of the links in the post I referenced earlier, and play on sites that have good oversight.

This thread is getting boring, we need a new poker savior to begin a new one.
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04-07-2009 , 09:49 PM
i cant believe you people waste your time arguing for months about probably the most pointless topic on all of 2p2. these threads should stop being allowed in teh zoo.
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04-08-2009 , 02:23 AM
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i cant believe you people waste your time arguing for months about probably the most pointless topic on all of 2p2
Are you serious?
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04-08-2009 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sokrateez
the name of this thread should be "douche bags arguing"
Since you arrived on it to join the rigtards, yes.

Last edited by qpw; 04-08-2009 at 03:01 AM. Reason: bda tpyo
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04-08-2009 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
they dont make statistical analyzis of a game, they anazlyze a randomness of 0´s and 1´a generated by RNG.
Can you try not to be so technical, it gets very confusing.
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04-08-2009 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
You dont understand anything as i see... RNG is a machine that generates 0´s and 1´s and not shuffles or deals cards. Its a Random Number Generator, And not Electronic card shuffler. Those 0´s and 1´s goes procesed throu a specific softwares, that has a specific card as an outcome.
How can we possibly argue with someone who has such a profound and detailed understanding of the technical aspects of RNG's and card generation?

Last edited by qpw; 04-08-2009 at 03:01 AM. Reason: Another bda tpyo
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04-08-2009 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
Waht they veryfied was a randomness of their Random Number Generators wich are totally random.

PS. Not totally random, 95% of randomness .
95% of randomness.

Wow, that's not really very random at all, is it?
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04-08-2009 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
Give me a brake ..
Why, are you going too fast?

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Your starting piss me.
Urrgghhh.
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04-08-2009 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SooperFish24
Also these online gambling sites are often based in the same places that drug dealing and other illegal enterprises operate out of like Costa Rica/Cyprus/Isle of Mann etc. Id be a lot less suspicious if they were properly regulated and based on the mainland in reputable locations.
Just a point of fact. The Isle of Man is somewhat of a tax haven but it is probably as far away from a place where drug dealing and other illegal enterprises operate as it can get.
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04-08-2009 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SooperFish24
Also these online gambling sites are often based in the same places that drug dealing and other illegal enterprises operate out of like Costa Rica/Cyprus/Isle of Mann etc. Id be a lot less suspicious if they were properly regulated and based on the mainland in reputable locations.
But not the US, obviously, even if it was legalised, because there is a massive ammount of illegal drug dealing taking place there.
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04-08-2009 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
As i mentioned before its not very hard to do. Lets open a thread, asking for players to contribute tournament hand histories of any poker room that anyone m8 think its rigged, and give them to 20 or 30 people to analyze them and get to their conclusions. This would solve all doubts of everyone, and would close a debate for ever. As the hand historys would be from different dates, there wouldnt be no influence of auditing date or anything similar.
Sounds great. But as Mark already told you, we tried this before:
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
And surprise, surprise, no data from the rigged theorists. Standard, sadly.
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04-08-2009 , 05:32 AM
yawn
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04-08-2009 , 05:50 AM
Saw this posted in the FTP Regs thread in MSNL, thought it was pretty sick:

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Originally Posted by sh58
there is a tonne of luck over 600k hands

http://www.castrovalva.com/~la/win.htm

put your winrate and sample size in here and you will see what i mean

for example with a winrate of 4ptbb/100, SD of 50 over 1 million (!!!) hands there is 99% confidence that you will have a winrate of between 2.7 and 5.3


even poker pro's have so little understanding about variance, its crazy
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04-08-2009 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DMoogle
Saw this posted in the FTP Regs thread in MSNL, thought it was pretty sick:
Usual question: Do you mean sick as in sick good, sick bad, or sick vomit?
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04-08-2009 , 06:23 AM
The last two.
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04-08-2009 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by qpw
Can you try not to be so technical, it gets very confusing.
you suck
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04-08-2009 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
you suck
A post well up to your usual standard, Username,
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04-08-2009 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by qpw
A post well up to your usual standard, Username,
The post well up to your usuall (ignorant) standard, qpw,
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04-08-2009 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
The post well up to your usuall (ignorant) standard, qpw,
Resorting to the old schoolyard "you are you mean" technique, Username^^?

That will give your stock here a much needed boost.
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04-08-2009 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Resorting to the old schoolyard "you are you mean" technique, Username^^?

That will give your stock here a much needed boost.
i dont get it, but i know 1 thing - i wont be discusing about anything with that guy becouse hes a total ignorant.
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04-08-2009 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
i dont get it, but i know 1 thing - i wont be discusing about anything with that guy becouse hes a total ignorant.
By: "a total ignorant", I presume you mean that I will not accept your paranoid ramblings in the absence of any justifying evidence or supportive logical reasoning?

And that I expect someone discussing a subject predicated on probability to have just the vaguest understanding of, erm, probability?
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04-08-2009 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by qpw
By: "a total ignorant", I presume you mean that I will not accept your paranoid ramblings in the absence of any justifying evidence or supportive logical reasoning?

And that I expect someone discussing a subject predicated on probability to have just the vaguest understanding of, erm, probability?

Now, i believe that if you werent interested in this thread, you would be posting somewhere else like 100´s of others 2+2 forum users do, and if you come here to post something, try to do it like a normal person, without your idiotic sarcasm. Becouse as far as i know, i didnt missed respect to noone, and i didnt said in any of my posts that certain poker room is rigged (If i did quote me), but i didnt claimed an opossite. Becouse as you and all other know there is no prove. And even if it would be rigged, there is very little chance that you could prove it.
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04-08-2009 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
Now, i believe that if you werent interested in this thread, you would be posting somewhere else like 100´s of others 2+2 forum users do, and if you come here to post something, try to do it like a normal person, without your idiotic sarcasm. Becouse as far as i know, i didnt missed respect to noone, and i didnt said in any of my posts that certain poker room is rigged (If i did quote me), but i didnt claimed an opossite. Becouse as you and all other know there is no prove. And even if it would be rigged, there is very little chance that you could prove it.
Was that a yes or a no?
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04-08-2009 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by qpw
Was that a yes or a no?
I posted before, that i have all the knoweledge a need to be a wining players in the long run. While i succeed in one poker rooms, i cant do so on others. On poker rooms i am wining an average of 12% after thousands of sngs played, while in other poker rooms i cant win. The only thing i got after 1000 games is -25$ profit when the level of players invoulved in the game is way less skilled. So after over 1100 sngs at the same limit, wouldnt it be normal to have a sinigant win or a sinifigant loss ? while on other poker room after 1000 sngs i have exactly EV i should get 1.2$ per sng. Doesnt that look strange to you ? Whn you are playing 12 sngs session and you win exact ammount to cover the entrys, by losing other tournamnets to hands like KQ vs AQ KQ making runner str, AK vs A4 etc. And i am not talking about 100 games, i am talking about around 1000 sngs on diferent poker rooms, with differently skilled playes, where less skilled ****s kicks my ass with most anormal way.
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