It is nice to see your self awareness of inferiroty to America. If more of the world would come to terms like this everything would be much smoother. Escpecially those brits. They do just enough to qualify as first class at everything, but once there they are the worst of the first class. Starting with soccer. They do just enough to win a world cup and qualify as winners, but they did the bare miniumu in winning just 1 and have sucked int he 40+ years since.

And yet there seems to be many people who say Pokerstars is legit and Full Tilt is rigged.

49% "is the correct percentage" is it? Really? What is the actual figure based on your hand histories?

Then show some hand histories or somethign that prove this.

Here's the info:

http://www.pokerstars.com/iom/

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/rng/

The irony of this claim is that you seem to be agreeing with 'The Detonator' but you're arguing the precise opposite.

'The Detonator' was saying that there are a whole lot of action hands on PokerStars. Action hands bust people faster. That's the whole point of action hands.

You're saying that Full Tilt is "the same" yet then go on to claim that they're trying to keep people in the game longer. If you were running a poker site and trying to do this, you would do this by avoiding action hands.



You're not exactly doing your argument a great deal of credit by mistating odds and incorrectly claiming that they are the "correct" percentage.

You may find that the tool PokerStove (www.pokerstove.com) will be useful if you want to talk about stuff with some degree of credibility.


You say that AK "definitely" has better than 49% odds of winning when the short stack. Could you please tell us what the odds are of winning that you've experienced?

But when it comes to soccer Brazil rules!!!!!!!!

But action hands can be a way of redistributing money from richier players to almost busted players....like set over set, giving the richier player the smaller set.

Yes however England still stinks.

My 2 cents

I find it completely absurd that people 100% believe online poker cannot be rigged, you are honestly an idiot if you believe this. If you have ever studied philosophy or any type of critical thinking, then you should know that nothing is ever guaranteed or ever proven. The highest something can ever elevate to is a theory aka scientific theories. Theories are not proven and can always turn out to be wrong, but from a human standpoint it is the highest or closet thing we have to knowledge.

Now applying this to online poker, do we really have as much evidence to say we are not being scammed as we have for thermodynamics or plate tectonics.....NO! If you don't understand what I am trying to say, then study skepticism or theory of knowledge.

Okay, so now we should all understand that online poker is by no means a guarantee and it is absurd to say it cannot be rigged,....yeah right, but anyways let me continue with my argument. Online poker doesn't have to be legit, because well no one can regulate them. If they want to give some people or a limited amount of people access to look at every hand or whatever one can think, then they can. Online poker sites can do whatever they want to do up to a certain level and they will get away with it as long as they are smart because they are not regulated.....not regulated. Seriously, if they really were not doing anything suspicious, then they would be happy to use a 3rd party shuffler or just do anything to prove they are legit, but they don't or they do a very limited amount.

For the people who say I must have lost or whatever you say to make yourself feel that you cannot ever be being cheated, that is not true. I won 20 to 30 bucks, which is not much, but I'm quitting because I just never felt like the cards played like live poker, and I don't enjoy the game enough to continue playing for hour and hours a day.

I only played 2 sites and they were pokerstars and full tilt poker. Poker stars had more actions hands per hand then I have ever seen before and full tilt poker had more runner runners than I had ever seen before. Pokerstars seemed more legit to me but I still never felt safe. Another thing that scared me about Full tilt is that if anyone who has read the blog about a guy who claimed to be someone who helped build full tilts software, then what he says is kind of true and you'll notice you see a lot of the same back to back hands on that site....

Anyways, I rambled and probably made my argument weaker, but I think you should ask yourself even if you are a winner, is it possible that I am getting cheated even though I am still winning (question sounds odd but I think you should really think about it)?

My 2 cents, probably won't be around very much to defend anything I say, but enjoy poker, it can be a very fun game, especially the few who were born with the talent to endure the grind.

Could you please point out where anyone has said that rigging is impossible? There has not been one single piece of evidence pointing towards a rigged deal and hundreds of millions of hands analyzed that show nothing wrong.

Since you brought up philosophy, are you aware that asking someone to prove a negative is a logical fallacy?

So just so it is clear:

There is not one shred of evidence to support a claim that poker is rigged and there is tons of evidence indicating that it probably isn't.

my aa lost to kk there is some evidence for ya

I´never lost any money playing online poker. I managed to beat the game from NL5 till NL200. I have used the money as Im not a professional player. Im grinfind up limits agains and everything is going fine to me. But I like to question things.

I believe that a questioning posture is part of our sanity. I agree with you that there is no evidence till now that the game is rigged.

What I dont get is why many times the simple fact that someone here tries to think about the possibilty that some manipulation is occuring is taken as a conspipratory theory.

How is it anything but a conspiracy theory?

If a questioning posture about the accepted and actual knowledge were always a paranoid delusion or some kind of conspiratory theory physics would never gone beyond newton theories about space and time. And Einstein would be just another lunatic that died inside a psychiatry facility.

Einstein used evidence to back his claims. Where is the evidence of a rigged deal?

As you probably know, Eisntein took a long time to find the equations to comprove his theories and even after that the relativity still needed a experiment to be ultimately accepted. That experiment came many years after the conception of the theory.

If when he first tought about the possibility that relativity was right his thoughts were taken as a paranoid delusion he could never go further.

In responce to josem

just so you understand what I'm saying. action hands cannot make you bust faster if the short stack is doubling up more often than they should, exactly the opposite occures it keeps people in action, it doesn't matter WHO is the short stack but the short stack has a bigger percentage edge than the actual percentages of the hands in question
the sites want to keep people in action cause they get more rake that way

A riggie comparing his cause to Einstein. ****ing EPiC!

Science and wisdom comes from freedom of thinking.

Hate, war and misery comes from dogmas and the impossibility to think freely.

Thats what im talking about....hate...misery and war.....

Cause? Riggie? (thats pretty close to ******) Hope the best and ultimate happiness for you.

real deal poker starts in 4 days

Josem,

If one were to do an test by sitting with a friend at a HU table at Stars (at as low a loevel as possible to avoid FPP accumulation) and do like 100k+ flips with them with losses sent back at regular intervals so you think there would be a need to worry about an investigation into chip-dumping etc or would it be wise to email Stars ahead of time and explain what's going to happen?

Man stfu! You're talkin about misery and war. This isn't a "cause". What I meant was you're trying to make your theories compare to those of Einstein. Shows what a fool you are.

I hope you fail even more in life.


..l.,

Einstein did the work that was needed to prove his theories. I dont see such work here on the rigged side(or even a half-assed attempt).

Now you can look forward to those REAL suckouts

This should add a new dynamic to the already ridiculous riggie theories.

real suck outs are better then manipulated ones