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Old 04-07-2009, 07:29 PM   #1851
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I see this thread has alot of interest. So what could we do instead is start recolecting hand histories. Open a new thread or something and ask players if they would like to contribute. And give them to people who are able to analyze it.
Here's what you're looking for
Official Poker Site Data Analysis and Discussion Thread
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I take shots at you because you take shots at everyone else and it annoys me, really. The way you respond to things is pretty ignorant/childish and it seems like you're always trying to be funny in some way at others expense..grow up
ya know what? there are a few rigt, errr, evidence-challenged posters ITT who realized that I only made fun of them after providing clear and polite responses to their inquiries.

you, however, chose to debut with some sort of jab about me having a tea party or some such nonsense.

I mean, seriously, who offers a guy a nice beverage in a festive atmosphere as an attempt to crush his soul?
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:31 PM   #1852
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ya know what? there are a few rigt, errr, evidence-challenged posters ITT who realized that I only made fun of them after providing clear and polite responses to their inquiries.

you, however, chose to debut with some sort of jab about me having a tea party or some such nonsense.

I mean, seriously, who offers a guy a nice beverage in a festive atmosphere while attempting to hurt his feelings?
Hey! He was talking to me! Why you always gotta hog the rigtard hate?
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:32 PM   #1853
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won, they still could have seen a lot of statistical anomalies. Which they did not
You just repeated what you just said. you use the term "statistical anomalies" freely without actually stopping and thinking of what you're talking about.

Let me simplify this for you:
These auditers (Cigital, BMM, etc.) do not look for "statistical anomalies" in the places the op has described in his theory of "timing" (shortstack, bubble, etc.) Their audit programs are not able to recognize these situations let alone look for them.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:32 PM   #1854
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Edit - and regardless of what people say about the regulatory agencies, I believe the jurisdictions regulating the larger sites actually do their job of making sure the game is fair. See this post:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...t=#post9773771
Thanks, very good post. Now, it is checked once in the year after geting a licence. But even so, the auditors have their price. And even if the poker room could get like the date of the audit, i think it would be enough.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:35 PM   #1855
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Hey! He was talking to me!
I respectfully disagree, sir.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:35 PM   #1856
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the name of this thread should be "douche bags arguing"
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:36 PM   #1857
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These auditers (Cigital, BMM, etc.) do not look for "statistical anomalies" in the places the op has described in his theory of "timing" (shortstack, bubble, etc.) Their audit programs are not able to recognize these situations let alone look for them.
sounds like you've got your work cut out for ya! I say, I say, son, you best get at it!
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But even so, the auditors have their price.
so do dealers at live cardrooms, I would assume.
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the name of this thread should be "douche bags arguing"
no u
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You just repeated what you just said. you use the term "statistical anomalies" freely without actually stopping and thinking of what you're talking about.

Let me simplify this for you:
These auditers (Cigital, BMM, etc.) do not look for "statistical anomalies" in the places the op has described in his theory of "timing" (shortstack, bubble, etc.) Their audit programs are not able to recognize these situations let alone look for them.
You don't think the study Cigital conducted called "Statistical Analysis of Texas Hold’em" could have shown any statistical anomalies? Just want to make sure we are talking about the same study.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:39 PM   #1859
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I haven't seen those reports. Feel free to link to them as surely you have read them.
http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/images/...etter-v1.6.pdf

here you go .
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:41 PM   #1860
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since someone was just asking what movie your avatar is from, I thought I'd provide a graphic response to your post:
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You don't think the study Cigital conducted called "Statistical Analysis of Texas Hold’em" could have shown any statistical anomalies? Just want to make sure we are talking about the same study.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:42 PM   #1861
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the name of this thread should be "douche bags arguing"
Your a douchebag, we are solving a future of online poker (LMFAO) ... To be , or not to be
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:42 PM   #1862
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LOL. Did you read that? It just says they verified it was random. That's all. Where does it say how they did so?

You can't just link to any random document. Sorry.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:42 PM   #1863
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You don't think the study Cigital conducted called "Statistical Analysis of Texas Hold’em" could have shown any statistical anomalies?
Obviously.

Im glad you got my point though
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:43 PM   #1864
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You don't think the study Cigital conducted called "Statistical Analysis of Texas Hold’em" could have shown any statistical anomalies? Just want to make sure we are talking about the same study.
they dont make statistical analyzis of a game, they anazlyze a randomness of 0´s and 1´a generated by RNG.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:43 PM   #1865
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since someone was just asking what movie your avatar is from, I thought I'd provide a graphic response to your post:


To be honest I don't know what movie it is from, or if it is even from any specific movie other than being photoshopped.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:44 PM   #1866
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they dont make statistical analyzis of a game, they anazlyze a randomness of 0´s and 1´a generated by RNG.
You should really read up on this if you think they are simply analyzing the binary code.
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Your a douchebag, we are solving a future of online poker (LMFAO) ... To be , or not to be
Hamlet wasn't in Bill n' Ted's Excellent Adventure or Bogus Journey afaik.

Related, Hamlet II was ****in' great!
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Obviously.

Im glad you got my point though
Yes, I got your point. It's wrong, but I got it.
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LOL. Did you read that? It just says they verified it was random. That's all. Where does it say how they did so?

You can't just link to any random document. Sorry.
Well .. Its official audit of full tilt exposed in their homepage.
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It's wrong, but I got it.
EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE its wrong. Its not wrong whatsoever you just dont have a response, i think. Their audits do not look/are able to recognize the theory of "timing". Prove me wrong, please
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Well .. Its official audit of full tilt exposed in their homepage.
So now tell me, how from that document did you determine what they look for when verifying it.
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You should really read up on this if you think they are simply analyzing the binary code.
You dont understand anything as i see... RNG is a machine that generates 0´s and 1´s and not shuffles or deals cards. Its a Random Number Generator, And not Electronic card shuffler. Those 0´s and 1´s goes procesed throu a specific softwares, that has a specific card as an outcome.
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So now tell me, how from that document did you determine what they look for when verifying it.
Waht they veryfied was a randomness of their Random Number Generators wich are totally random.

PS. Not totally random, 95% of randomness .

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To be honest I don't know what movie it is from, or if it is even from any specific movie other than being photoshopped.
if you didn't see this one then you better make it a Blockbuster night, pal!


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Their audits do not look/are able to recognize the theory of "timing".
I trust you have a stopwatch for all the data gathering/analysis you'll be doing then?
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