Of course its possible. No-one ITT has denied it.

See RagingBull, riggies like AMEC don't even know exactly what they are paranoid about, but just are certain that something is wrong. This really isn't the type of person you want to be associated with is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gratG...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOJkm...ext=1&index=13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LfT...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LCmQ...eature=related

I don't really want to be associated with anyone!!

If the cards start falling in a normal way soon and I start winning again like Im supposed to with the winning hand, I probably wont even post here anymore

And there is nothing wrong with having a "gut feeling" that something is wrong. Our gut feelings are probably evolved feelings that favoured survival in making people more cautious. I think a gut feeling is a find starting point to lead someone to do further research.

But then you have a guy like Amec who has his hands analysed, the results clearly show that he was running bad but over a decent sample his results were less than 2 standard deviations from the mean. Now, I'm not a stats guy and frankly much of my knowledge has come from this thread. And what it appears is that someone being less than two standard deviations from the mean means that someone is unlucky, to be sure, but that such a result should not be seen as abnormal. Compare that to the superusers on AB/UB whose results were far greater than 2 SDs.

However, despite being presented with this evidence, AMEC continued and continues to harp about how the results showed that things were rigged. Even though the math doesn't add up, and in fact, as bad as he was running, he was still running far better than his gut had been telling him.

That's not a rational way to approach this problem. Gut feelings do not always translate into fact. So take your gut feelings and build on them. There are plenty of people around here who will help you analyze your own hands to see if there is something worth looking into a little deeper.

Now, I've posted stuff like this many times in this thread. What is the result? The riggies ignore it or consider this to be evidence that I'm a "shill". The fact is, shill or not, the advice stands on its own. Take it or leave it. It's worth spending some time sifting through this thread even from the beginning and looking for the substantive posts. There's a lot of good stuff in here, in between flames.

If you posted a hand history where you lose with the winning hand I think we'd all get on board the rigged train Or at least admit there is a serious bug in the software.

omg I lol'd!

Anyone who says the sites are legit is either a shilltard, an abysmal idiot, or simply hasn't experienced the wrath of the doomswitch.
There must be a lot of gullible dumbass mofos out there to believe that these sites are legit.

There are over 1,000 posts on this topic, really hard to find the good posts unless I have all week to read!

I'm probably 2 SD from the mean right now on the losing side, having a nightmarish run...

Until I see a comprehensive study involving much more than just pre-flop all-ins I will continue to believe it's rigged.
Funny that these sites never release any comprehensive studies about their deals.
If they had nothing to hide they would release large amounts of data to assure people that everything is legit.

You'll believe it is a rigged as you continue to lose. Unlike some of the skeptical posters in here, I think you are pretty much beyond any sort of logic convincing you otherwise.

Was that even possible?

Can you really be so deluded that you believe that?

I don't know who or how many people called you an idiot but it seems like fair comment.

Proofed that many cheat, 37-63 cards are random, and for me no longer profitable = consequent dont play any serious stake

I don't think I have ever said this about anyone before but you really do need to get banned. You keep copy and pasting your own posts for no reason when they were nothing but lies and stupidity in the first place.

You believe it's rigged because of what you have seen. Do the "comprehensive study" yourself and become the rigtard hero that destroys online poker. Why is this so difficult to understand?

wtf does that mean?

Better yet, keep the knowledge secret and profit from it. If you know how the deal is rigged, you should be unbeatable. Being able to predict the cards in poker, even a small fraction of the time, would give someone a massive advantage. So figure out what the rig rules are, and exploit them.

Actually it seems more rigged when I win.
After my first deposit at AP, I entered a tourny and they literally would not let me lose.
When it got down to heads up all I got was premium hands.
I was folding stuff like AT heads up because I knew JJ would be next.
Honestly like 20 premium hands in a row.
Same thing happened at FTP after I took a long beak there.
Shipped first in a MTT that they would not let me lose.
I never play NLHE and am therefor not very good at it, but I ran at +50BB/100 during my first 500 hands at FTP.
I was sucking out like Paris Hilton but I stopped because I knew the boomswitch does not last forever.

Why don't we ban the shilltards?
I'm trying to help society by getting rid of the joke that is online poker.
The world would be a much better place if all the smart grinders did something productive instead of sitting on their ass, making these shady businesses rich.
Unfortunately nobody has the time, resources, or dedication required to compose a truly comprehensive study.

Yeah, this phenomenon is called "Players at higher stakes tend to be better than those at lower stakes". It's why you move up to where they respect your raises.
You're throwing out cherry picked examples of "weird" hands that anyone who's played 500 hands, live or online, could come up with. I've played less than 200 hands live, and saw 5 or 6 weird ass hands go down, yet I have no doubt the Shuffle Masters were working fine. Just because someone gets it in behind doesn't necessarily make them bad. We'd need to see examples, but there are plenty of plays you have to make in SNGs that in a vacuum look ******ed. Which might be weird if you both had 30 BB stacks, he had 23o, and the flop was 7JQr or something, but would be less weird under dozens of other conditions. Data is different from anecdotal evidence. I'm not going to like...pander to you like a child and reply condescendingly, but anecdotal evidence is almost always useless.[quote]
So you want a comprehensive study, but you don't specify what the study should be on, just that it has to be "much more" than just preflop all ins.

All I'm saying is the ONLY time Ive ever had over 10 really ridiculous bad-beats all in one big session were the two times I tried to move up several levels to the $50 SNG.

Each time I lost over $500 and my luck immediately changed when I moved down a level...

Again, just left me with that weird feeling...

Keep in mind, if there was someone like PotTripper out there, they would be hanging out at the higher levels, not at the lower levels..

I like the monkey riding the motorcycle in your avatar, is he the one that runs your statistical analysis?

Dude you've made a lot of posts that make no sense. I'm willing to accept that English may not be your first language, but I think we get it. You're not profitable any more and whether it's rigged or the games are too tough, it's just not worth continuing to play for a lot of money. For the most part you're just talking to yourself. This is pretty well evidenced by the fact that people rarely respond to you.

Is there anything else important you're trying to say or is that it?

You're way overdue for another one of these...

You deliver those muppets like you're throwing grenades or something...

Just witnessed another awesome 5 way pot with all amazingly strong hands...

As Phil Laak said on Poker After Dark, "Impossibly strong vs impossibly strong"...

Wanna see it?

don't care

Show me statistically that they're happening far more than reasonable probability and I might.

Also, when a bunch of people have really strong hands, the money is more likely to get in at that point. When they don't, you're not going to see a 5 way all in, now are you...

EDIT: Why don't you take all this bs to BBV and see what they have to say about it over there. If you're really going through such horrible stuff that they do anything but flame you, I'll be surprised.