Since post # 18292 in this thread, I have gotten a slew of insults directed toward me.

Funny thing, I don't believe online poker is rigged.
I am not just being devil's advocate here, I believe it is possible. It is a question worth exploring.

To deny the possiblity is an emotional response, or worse.
Personal insults are emotional responses, or worse.

Bertie will be so pleased that you've found his teapot, at last.

Bit of a straw man argument there.

No one has ever suggested that it's definitely not rigged.

As you are new, I'll just post this again for your benefit:

Rigtards believe that online poker is definitely rigged despite there being not a shred of evidence that this is the case.

Those of us defending online poker believe that it is probably not rigged because there is not a shred of evidence that this is the case.

Not a shred???
How could they slander UB like that?
You mean none of that was true!

Wiped under the rug...

You guys are gonna make a believer out of me yet! Rig it my way and I'll shut up!

I don't wanna coin the term legit-tard, because I believe it's demeaning to people whose IQ is below 70.

But review this thread and 50 people can call me a rig-tard?
Buried that post pretty quick.

Tell me how idiocic i must be?

Ask me if I beat my wife?

we had the ub scandal so poker sites dont get the benfit of doubt any more.
Its there job to prove there not rigged and there not doing a good job

Seriously...? I thought that it went, "presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law."

Are we in court? We're talking about a business.

Prove that Las Vegas casino's are legit. I'm sure inteligent people will reference the Nevada Gaming Commission.

What do you reference? The Great Poker is Rigged Debate?

+1 Proof.

oh what a shock poopfinger is wrong again, as is tk.... why you guys continue to ask for people to prove a negative I'll never understand. But I'm definitely not surprised.

And again, for the thousandth time, the UB situation wasn't an example of rigging. It was straight up insider cheating. And you won't find anybody in this thread defending them either.

Enron was guilty, so let's just scream that all energy companies are rigged now. US oversight missed that and it won't be the last time. So don't tell me the US would be able to do anything differently with poker sites. And this is coming from a person who was an actual auditor of financial statements of public companies. It was part of my job responsibility to test for and detect fraud in any way I could.

And before we get more into this garbage about US regulation.... whose fault is it there's no domestic regulation right now? Hint: it's not the sites overseas. It's the US. Fortunately, there really are competent overseas regulators who operate under a rule of law similar to our own. Thank god we don't have to trust our own country to handle that. Our lawmakers are a bit too incompetent right now.

Superusers are not what most people mean by rigged in this thread. Most are talking about the RNG. There are lots of ways that sites can be dishonest. The RNG is the topic of this thread.

The wife line was to point out to you the impossibility of proving a negative.

You have not been flamed mercilessly. You've presented some arguments which amount to little more than logical fallacies. People have responded in kind, correcting you. You don't even believe the deal is rigged. So not sure what you are doing here?

Well, since you ask. Anything to oblige.

You are moderately idiotic.

You like to think you can start a new gimmick account and try and adopt the mantle of 'the voice of reason' but you fail pretty miserably.

I've seen died in the wool rigtards make more credible attempts at appearing non-partisan in the first instance.

According to Poker Scout online poker traffic is increasing at a rate of 12% annually.

Poor old tk.

Still not getting it.

When we say 'presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law' the 'in a court of law' is an extra necessary condition.

That means that a someone (in this case a non personal legal entity such as a company) must be proven guilty and it must be in a court of law.

The expression does not mean they are guilty just because someone says so outside a court of law but are only guilty if someone says so in a court of law and proves it.

Really? Who are these top players? That is interesting, do you have any quotes from top players about this?

Despite all the freakishly improbable things I see everyday with online poker, I voted in the poll that its not rigged, because there is not conclusive evidence..

The poll should contain a 3rd option: "Maybe" ...

but its still there job

Well, TK's point is just that in business, or just general dealings we don't generally hold people up to the same standard of proof as in a court of law. Fair enough.

Still, there should be some standard of proof that rises above mere allegations, even in normal, every day to day dealings. Accusations alone should NEVER be enough. There should be some sort of convincing evidence. With regard to rigged RNGs on the major sites, there is not a shred of reliable evidence. Any big study, including the one recently done on Amec's hands, has failed to produce any reliable evidence of an unfair deal.

TK: you basically agree with this. You don't think the deal is rigged. Yet you continuously bolster the riggies, rather than helping take them through the logical thought process necessary to figure out if the deal is rigged. Why is that?

No he has nothing to back up what he says. You're responding to a guy who makes a regular habit of stating fiction as fact. It's been proven in this thread numerous times if you read back a bit. The current point you're discussing has a bit of opinion in it but even on matters where something is factually untrue, AMEC still states it as true.

for your information having super users is just as bad as rigged deck and is in same class as rigged .

YOU HAVE A 100 PERCENT RANDOM DEAL WITH NO HOUSE PLAYERS OR YOUR RIGGED SCAM CHEAT.

I love it when the riggies pull out the ALL CAPS.

i love when shills get paid to cover up lies

I love it when riggies demonstrate there complete lack of intelligence while making a futile effort to make a point. Poopfinger your not very smart, and the sad thing is you don't even seem to be aware of it. Your a third grader trying to debate against college students. It's not a fair fight. Not your fault but at least try to recognize when your in over your (ooh it works this time) head.

Hopefully I'm communicating to you in your own language and perhaps you can better understand now.

By the way fellow shills, have you gotten your check from Full Tilt today? They're a bit late paying me. I'm not gonna shill forever. If they want to cover up the riggedness they're going to need my services. But the payment is late and their support isn't answering my inquiry very quickly.

you get paid buy cheating scum that scam people how does that make you feel?

Wasn't this settled in a different thread?

Sigh. Of course superusers are BAD. Really bad. Like, really, really, really, really, really bad. They're just NOT the subject of this thread! Start another thread if you want to talk about superusers.

Indeed it was but because of your demonstrated idiocy it seemed that you might have forgotten.

Or misunderstood.

Solid logic there. The people who feel their message needs spreading aren't the "shills", just like if a group of people went around yelling "Gravity doesn't exist!" most people would just ignore them. Do these friends actually have $200k profits, or is it like your $75k "profits"? Name names.