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Originally Posted by SooperFish24
Hey Markusgc,
You asked me my opinion yesterday as to what s specifically happening in online poker for me to think its rigged.
yes, and thanks for putting your thoughts together in a coherent post.
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First I think initial luck when playing on a new site. In other words the site rigs the deck in your favour to get you hooked in.
First Stars last year I initially deposited 200$ and for the first 4 weeks I cashed out 250-400$ per week with a ridiculous 120% ROI for my first 150-200 MTTs and STTs. This was before I played off a bankroll with proper br management...
I move to ongame and experiencea similar initial luck period where for a couple of weeks after signing up and playing 4x50NL 5 max Im winning 45-50$ per hour and go straight from 500 to around $2k. Again I cashout and my br is destroyed again by terrible beats.
I'd like to see if anyone else has similar
data (not vague recollections) or if you're unique in this situation. myself, like lots of newbs, I didn't keep good records at first, so I don't have anything concrete I can share. but since anecdotal evidence seems to be fairly good currency 'round these parts quite often, I'll say on Stars I ran real well off the bat - strictly in tournament play though, but never to this day could say it's been my best site, results-wise. However, their lack of bonuses/rakeback also makes it one of my least visited, so I don't know how reliable my "feelings" are in that regard. I think I did ok on FTP at first in low-stakes cash games (when I was pretty poor at 'em) but not so good in tourneys, so what does that say?
ok, here, I gotta tell ya - and I mean this in the most respectful manner possible - this sounds kinda nuts.
From my own experience to summarise this is what I think goes on;
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-Fish cash players rewarded at LOWER limits with outs more than they should when they ve made a mistake. Done by sites to increase rake.
-Fish tourney players again at low limits protected from themselves and stupid all in calls they make. Shoving A9 AIPF for example when you ve made it very clear that you have a premium hand. Again to increase income generated from tourney fee s.
I showed earlier how it would be nearly impossible to rig something in real time (not to mention actually finding the intended "victims" and recipients of the "goldern river effect") and be sure that everyone plays their hands in a manner the site would like them to so the "fish" can get paid. I also think it would be a pretty idea to make their long-time customers unhappy as a company policy for the short-term benefit of keeping a horrible player afloat another hour or so.
this part I'm fairly neutral on, but I'm not sure it falls within the scope of this discussion
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-Bots/house players used probably in an unofficial capacity by sites or with knowledge of the sites to increase profitability.
we can still be friends though, right?
Last edited by Markusgc; 04-07-2009 at 06:27 PM.