The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
03-26-2010
, 01:32 AM
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Stars had their first time with over 150k players online just a little over 2 years ago(Dec 30 2008). Right now in the middle of the night in their largest market they have 100k on and sundays get over 350k.So please explain again how they are not growing and need to rig your hands to maintain their cashflow.
"I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a shill with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science."
03-26-2010
, 02:20 AM
They love to waste their money (which they steal from riggies like you and others itt)
Some idiot said the same thing about Vegas (50 years ago!!). Not being informed or having a clue is a muther****er yo!
+1 
** Btw BuckleFoot, I think online poker has at least 10 more years of growth. Imagine the number of players that will come in after US regulation and US poker sites go online?? The competition will be fierce and growth WILL HAPPEN. IMO
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There really is no point arguing with the shills.
I try to talk about the poker economy and they respond with McDonalds?
I think they realize that online poker doesn't have a very bright future, and are doing everything they can to maintain people's faith in the industry.
The only way these sites can grow is if the deposits are greater than the cashouts and rake combined.
NFuego says that there are hopeless donks depositing thousands of dollars every day but I honestly don't see that.
What site do you play on NFuego with all these terrible fish that burn through thousands of dollars?
Every table I look at is filled with mostly regs, who tend to want to cashout more than they deposit.
If people cashout more than they deposit these sites will disappear.
It's at the point where rigging is needed to maintain a healthy poker economy.
I try to talk about the poker economy and they respond with McDonalds?
I think they realize that online poker doesn't have a very bright future, and are doing everything they can to maintain people's faith in the industry.
The only way these sites can grow is if the deposits are greater than the cashouts and rake combined.
NFuego says that there are hopeless donks depositing thousands of dollars every day but I honestly don't see that.
What site do you play on NFuego with all these terrible fish that burn through thousands of dollars?
Every table I look at is filled with mostly regs, who tend to want to cashout more than they deposit.
If people cashout more than they deposit these sites will disappear.
It's at the point where rigging is needed to maintain a healthy poker economy.
** Btw BuckleFoot, I think online poker has at least 10 more years of growth. Imagine the number of players that will come in after US regulation and US poker sites go online?? The competition will be fierce and growth WILL HAPPEN. IMO
Last edited by LVGambler; 03-26-2010 at 02:25 AM.
Reason: ' \` hopefully by then i'll be [good enough to be] playing online
03-26-2010
, 02:40 AM
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1) It seems that after completing withdrawals several times, I run into a nasty cooler. Has happened every time I make several incremental cashouts on stars.
2) After returning to a site after 6 months (UB), I ran hot as hell. AA, AA, AQ, A10, JJ back-to-back at 400 NL. Doubled initial deposit 700 -> 1400 in under 24 hours.
3) It seems to me that it is OCCASIONALLY possible to predict when I will take a bad beat or give a bad beat. I receive a bad beat in close succession of me giving a bad beat ---- WHETHER or NOT i was even involved in the hand where I gave the bad beat!!
Example: I fold Q 2. 2 players go all in, 1 with K K and 1 with A Q.
Flop Q 2 x. Turn x. River x. I would have won the pot!
1 to 15 hands later:
I receive KK. The same guy who had K K earlier goes all in with A 3. Another player also calls with 9s. An ace hits the flop and the would-be unlucky player sucks out.
Example that I noticed today:
Player A has 77 and goes all in. He is called by Player B with 6 2 off. Player B makes 2 pair and wins the pot.
5 hands later, Player A re-raises player C and is again called by Player B. Player A has A 4 off, Player C has KK, and player B has Q 10. I was watching this hand closely. I had a geniune instinct that player A would hit his ace because he got so unlucky just a few hands ago. He hit it on the river.
This happens alot. There are many many examples. I wonder if other players have noticed?
Based on this, the cause of a 'cooler' would be the repetition of the first example I posted: Basically, you are folding typical rag hands that would be huge suckout winners more often than usual. Then, due to my theory, your actual good hand are either not hitting,or your good hands are being sucked out on.
A heater occurs when your rag hands are not sucking out.
REGARDLESS, if you play solid poker, you should still come out a winner. This just is my idea of what causes coolers and heaters. It probably is preposterous but we all have our superstitions. I would imagine that I just tend to expect a suckout 100% of the time, so I am bound to be correct every now and then. Plus, humans are psychologically built to perceive patterns out of nothing.
2) After returning to a site after 6 months (UB), I ran hot as hell. AA, AA, AQ, A10, JJ back-to-back at 400 NL. Doubled initial deposit 700 -> 1400 in under 24 hours.
3) It seems to me that it is OCCASIONALLY possible to predict when I will take a bad beat or give a bad beat. I receive a bad beat in close succession of me giving a bad beat ---- WHETHER or NOT i was even involved in the hand where I gave the bad beat!!
Example: I fold Q 2. 2 players go all in, 1 with K K and 1 with A Q.
Flop Q 2 x. Turn x. River x. I would have won the pot!
1 to 15 hands later:
I receive KK. The same guy who had K K earlier goes all in with A 3. Another player also calls with 9s. An ace hits the flop and the would-be unlucky player sucks out.
Example that I noticed today:
Player A has 77 and goes all in. He is called by Player B with 6 2 off. Player B makes 2 pair and wins the pot.
5 hands later, Player A re-raises player C and is again called by Player B. Player A has A 4 off, Player C has KK, and player B has Q 10. I was watching this hand closely. I had a geniune instinct that player A would hit his ace because he got so unlucky just a few hands ago. He hit it on the river.
This happens alot. There are many many examples. I wonder if other players have noticed?
Based on this, the cause of a 'cooler' would be the repetition of the first example I posted: Basically, you are folding typical rag hands that would be huge suckout winners more often than usual. Then, due to my theory, your actual good hand are either not hitting,or your good hands are being sucked out on.
A heater occurs when your rag hands are not sucking out.
REGARDLESS, if you play solid poker, you should still come out a winner. This just is my idea of what causes coolers and heaters. It probably is preposterous but we all have our superstitions. I would imagine that I just tend to expect a suckout 100% of the time, so I am bound to be correct every now and then. Plus, humans are psychologically built to perceive patterns out of nothing.
03-26-2010
, 05:00 AM
Quote:
1) It seems that after completing withdrawals several times, I run into a nasty cooler. Has happened every time I make several incremental cashouts on stars.
2) After returning to a site after 6 months (UB), I ran hot as hell. AA, AA, AQ, A10, JJ back-to-back at 400 NL. Doubled initial deposit 700 -> 1400 in under 24 hours.
3) It seems to me that it is OCCASIONALLY possible to predict when I will take a bad beat or give a bad beat. I receive a bad beat in close succession of me giving a bad beat ---- WHETHER or NOT i was even involved in the hand where I gave the bad beat!!
Example: I fold Q 2. 2 players go all in, 1 with K K and 1 with A Q.
Flop Q 2 x. Turn x. River x. I would have won the pot!
1 to 15 hands later:
I receive KK. The same guy who had K K earlier goes all in with A 3. Another player also calls with 9s. An ace hits the flop and the would-be unlucky player sucks out.
Example that I noticed today:
Player A has 77 and goes all in. He is called by Player B with 6 2 off. Player B makes 2 pair and wins the pot.
5 hands later, Player A re-raises player C and is again called by Player B. Player A has A 4 off, Player C has KK, and player B has Q 10. I was watching this hand closely. I had a geniune instinct that player A would hit his ace because he got so unlucky just a few hands ago. He hit it on the river.
This happens alot. There are many many examples. I wonder if other players have noticed?
Based on this, the cause of a 'cooler' would be the repetition of the first example I posted: Basically, you are folding typical rag hands that would be huge suckout winners more often than usual. Then, due to my theory, your actual good hand are either not hitting,or your good hands are being sucked out on.
A heater occurs when your rag hands are not sucking out.
REGARDLESS, if you play solid poker, you should still come out a winner. This just is my idea of what causes coolers and heaters. It probably is preposterous but we all have our superstitions. I would imagine that I just tend to expect a suckout 100% of the time, so I am bound to be correct every now and then. Plus, humans are psychologically built to perceive patterns out of nothing.
2) After returning to a site after 6 months (UB), I ran hot as hell. AA, AA, AQ, A10, JJ back-to-back at 400 NL. Doubled initial deposit 700 -> 1400 in under 24 hours.
3) It seems to me that it is OCCASIONALLY possible to predict when I will take a bad beat or give a bad beat. I receive a bad beat in close succession of me giving a bad beat ---- WHETHER or NOT i was even involved in the hand where I gave the bad beat!!
Example: I fold Q 2. 2 players go all in, 1 with K K and 1 with A Q.
Flop Q 2 x. Turn x. River x. I would have won the pot!
1 to 15 hands later:
I receive KK. The same guy who had K K earlier goes all in with A 3. Another player also calls with 9s. An ace hits the flop and the would-be unlucky player sucks out.
Example that I noticed today:
Player A has 77 and goes all in. He is called by Player B with 6 2 off. Player B makes 2 pair and wins the pot.
5 hands later, Player A re-raises player C and is again called by Player B. Player A has A 4 off, Player C has KK, and player B has Q 10. I was watching this hand closely. I had a geniune instinct that player A would hit his ace because he got so unlucky just a few hands ago. He hit it on the river.
This happens alot. There are many many examples. I wonder if other players have noticed?
Based on this, the cause of a 'cooler' would be the repetition of the first example I posted: Basically, you are folding typical rag hands that would be huge suckout winners more often than usual. Then, due to my theory, your actual good hand are either not hitting,or your good hands are being sucked out on.
A heater occurs when your rag hands are not sucking out.
REGARDLESS, if you play solid poker, you should still come out a winner. This just is my idea of what causes coolers and heaters. It probably is preposterous but we all have our superstitions. I would imagine that I just tend to expect a suckout 100% of the time, so I am bound to be correct every now and then. Plus, humans are psychologically built to perceive patterns out of nothing.
03-26-2010
, 05:02 AM
Please present your evidence that sites are hiring shills.
It would go a very long way to give some legitimacy to the argument they are up to no good.
I look forward to seeing the material you are basing your accusations on as soon as possible.
It would go a very long way to give some legitimacy to the argument they are up to no good.
I look forward to seeing the material you are basing your accusations on as soon as possible.
03-26-2010
, 11:20 AM
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Oh but that's the thing. They ARE rigging their hands and that's how they've built it up so big. See how that works? It's science.
"I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a shill with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science."
"I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a shill with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science."
Honestly, I thought this whole time you were a women, the way you carry on and whine...? You must be one of those femine sensitive "Men."
Last edited by tk1133; 03-26-2010 at 11:20 AM.
Reason: I didn't know you could say pussy here
