To be clear, my response was that I don't understand your theory, and I said that the game/decision tree has no effect on the deal in poker, which is itself a linear sequence of random events. Players make decisions based on those random events, but those have no effect on the cards to come. No matter what branch players go down, the next card is still the next card. My education is computer science (the advanced kind with lots of math and theory), and I understand trees. But I don't understand your idea. You should run with it and do some studies and post them, or at least flesh it out to where somebody else can understand it.

Not a clue what you are on about here (and yes, I'm a computer science graduate and do know about tree structures...).

Assuming your idea isn't complete gibberish and you are just having a problem explaining it, then please show a simple worked example to illustrate what you mean.

Juk

^ That will never EVER happen. Based on what I've read in my short time here itt, I can say, confidently, that no riggie, spewing out his (PD's) kind of garbage, will ever produce anything other than

wait wait wait.. ok --->

Sorry but these people just hit a nerve with me today (ok, almost every day) lol

Hey guys, can you please be nicer to AMEC0404 - as a personal favor to me, please?

Oh, and the way folks can type out curses w/o getting in trouble is by not circumventing the profanity filter or being especially rude.

Ahhh, and I came in here to dog pile him again

+1, This is why Markusgc is the man...legend continues...

BTW. AMEC:
Nobody looks at you any differently bc he posted you're stats and they're below your expectation. Which we understand is why your questioning the outcome. I understand you feel violated, but for somebody that has your back I'll can say my stats are pretty bad too, so don't sweat it.

I snatched this from another thread. It was in response to a post about a bad beat.. in a play money game

This is a gem of gems imo. Epic even.

outcome of what? I never claimed to be a winner at cashgames, I never have been, and cashgames hands make up less than 10% of my total hands played. I seriously contacted my lawyer and as long as he is a resident of the US, I have a legit case.

Ok, you're getting defensive. You posted in this forum that you were below expectation, all I'm saying is it's not a big deal. REAL Players don't judge other players based on their buy ins and how much money you win. It's a game, and it's how you play the game that counts in the end.

yes and I was 1.6 std deviations off expectation in AIPF hands. and that is with spade's rounding everything his way.

You really need to stop misrepresenting the accurate work I did for you voluntarily, and that I reported impartially (and in fact rounded UP from 1.58 to 1.6 making it look further off expected than it was). I don't care what Mark says about you, you are a lying douchebag and have been ever since you began posting. You are rude and insulting to everyone for no reason other than trolling, you have no interest in any reasonable discussion, and you can kiss my ass.

So ban me Mark, if anything I said was out of line. I can do without this ****.

Well Josem wont look at my stats now because I owe PS 200$ and I have no way of depositing here in the US and they wouldnt accept a p2p transfer of funds to make up for it from someone at my timeshare who also plays. She even sent in ID and bills and promise to transfer the money into my account since I'd give her cash. Of course after offering that solution several times, which any reasonable entity would accept, my emails were ignored. In any case it doesnt matter. I dont think its going to be MY hands that prove anything other than I manage to lose with trips and flushes like nobodies business.

@Spadebidder, again i understand the linear appraoch of describing a deal, but its no longer linear going in reverse when "decompiling" hand histories. You cannot describe a linear object by breaking it up into segmented parts and describing incomplete parts of it.

I know Mark is a reasonable guy, but if he says AMEC is anything more than a massive douchebag, that'll probably be my first major disagreement with him.

Mark, I've gone out of my way to be nice to AMEC. Everybody's patience has worn thin. I'm actually amazed he hasn't been banned by this point. If he's going to be allowed to troll and throw temper tantrums and threaten people with lawsuits, slander people, state fiction as fact, etc etc etc that's fine, but don't expect people who have gone out of their way to help him to put up with him when he spits in the face of the work they did for him.

Ive seen more insulting behavior from NFuego than AMEC. I think he should be banned first. And I dont say that with bias because there are plenty on the defenders side that are quite civil and friendly.

Then you haven't read enough of his posts (either of them).

dude u were 3 hands off in the only catagory I personally checked, and it was bc of rounding in your favor.

You made a mistake then. There is no "in my favor", that ludicrous. The numbers are what they are. There is no "rounding" of hand counts. Put the filter I posted for you, in your HEM, and you will get exactly 9550 headsup all-in preflop hands. I don't know why I'm even arguing with you. I transferred every one of them to a spreadsheet, 9550 lines worth, and then added up the results to post the table. Nothing anywhere was rounded in anyone's favor. Standard practice for significant digits was used on percentages.

Your lack of appreciation is unbelievable. It's because nothing came out the way you insisted it would, with your wild claims of all brackets being at least 5% under expectation and you wanted to bet on it. Nothing even came anywhere close. That's why you are sour, because you were so very wrong.

Krytestorme agreed that the only thing he was allowed to publicly post was the results of the study, which was an AIPF analysis. It was agreed beforehand and now, after not fulfilling his end of tgeh bargain, he instead posts personal financial results PUBLICLY. That is a pretty big mistake, one I am not willing to let go so easily. Especially when I have been treated the way I have in this thread.

Spade - You agreed to the same, and while we have had our differences, you always fulfilled your end. I commend for staying courtious and professional thoughout this whole ordeal.

This is false.

The information I provided was personal and sensitive material to my personal business. I do not appreciate that material being made public, and I am not going to let it slide.

The guy can't even spell the word "category" and he's debating spadebidder on statistics. Gee, based on the past month of discussion I'm just really not sure who would be more reliable in this discussion?

Even if AMEC was right (which he's likely not), he's grasping at straws anyway complaining about rounding.

OK spade... u have my expected winning hands at 4705. My avg equity for 9550 hands is 49.3%. 9550 * .493 = 4708.15 ... you just added up all the categories instead of just doing it simple. Evey category was rounded slightly, thus the skewed result. This is why I question your overall knowledge of math. This is a simple problem to avoid when doing scientific analysis.

How does everyone always end up owning money to poker sites. I dont understand.

No, you don't multiply the average equity by the hands. You do it individually for every bracket that you are comparing and then sum them, to AVOID such rounding errors as the one you just made. Also, the calculations were done using double precision floating point numbers, NOT the numbers displayed in the output. Trust me on this, or redo the whole thing yourself and you will see.

There you go again covering mistakes with condescension. lol, wow

I was right to self-exile from this thread and should not have come back.

Usually takes a chargeback or an electronic deposit that doesn't go through. Takes a special person though because they would actually have to blow through their money before the site could reclaim the money that was credited.

I'll stop short of assuming that Mumu is guilty of some unethical crap here, although it wouldn't surprise me.

I love the people who say "Well, they rigged it against me anyway so it's ok to steal from them." Nothing like justifying an unethical act in your own mind. I suppose if anybody would know something about that, it would be a rigtard.