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Old 04-07-2009, 01:02 PM   #1701
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so did that guy end up cashing?

i mentioned before, he finished 4th, and i couldnt get better than 6th place in more than 700mtts. And always out by a horrible bad beat or a set up.

My conlusion to all this bst is that not anyone can win online, its just made that way. Now, tell me how the hell Durr can be a wining player if he never folded a draw in hiw whole life.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:10 PM   #1702
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I think your poker room is missing one part, put out there a hand or two once in a while that would put players on tilt and even if they are playing a solid game make them lose money. Also alow a group of players use easy programable poker bots (Shanky Technologies). Actually, their forum has 1486 registered users. Only way to register into that forum is by purchasing a poker bot. The bots have premade scripts, witch u can also buy there for sngs, turbo sngs, Kill bil MTTs book, sklanksys books, limit no limit holdem, chiss moneymakers sng strategy and many others -.-. Buy a life .. I think i am done with online poker, i was wondering all the time why a guy keeps calling my checkraises with gutshots ?? And he won 2 hands out of me by hiting 1 of his outs (To a pair both times). Just was making no sense. A guy with 68/27/8 stats kicked my ass like i was somekind of noob in 2 hands. I checked his statistics, and he has only 9 tournamens played and his higest cash is bigger than mine in 700mtts ? Now why is that ? Is becouse he has more skill than me or what ?.


Just an example of a last hand in that particular mtt :

He minraised UTG. I was mp2 with J10h i called his raise. my M was around 20, and his around 80. 100 players left in the MTT. bb decides to call as well. Flop 5h9h4s. BB checks, he bets 2 bb into quite big pot, so i decide that he has **** like he always does, and my J10 with flush draw was the best hand. So i rase to 12bb. BB folds, and a ****** calls. Turn, 8d - I think at that point what a good card, now i have opended, flush draw, and 2 overcards. He checks, and i shove my last 5K or so. He instaaaa calls. Now, who can tell me what did he had ?



68c, nice hand sir. Very well played, river 2s and i am ****ing out. Now, once again me by playing a solid game, havnt got any major wining on that particular poker room in over 700 games. And some kind of ******, plays 9 games there and takes 4th place in a tournament without having a ****ing clue of what he is doing (over 600 people MTT).
poker is still beatable, but the games are " rigged for RAKE ". Sure the sites increase there profit, so far noone catch them = easy money.

There is also no doubt that Superusers are still there...and professional cheaters use onlinegames more and more .

And the games itself are harder / different than 4 years ago.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:15 PM   #1703
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Have you ever noticed, when you are playing MTT on full tilt, they puts 3 top10 big stacks on 1 same table ? And i can explain why they do so, why being 3 big stacks on the same table, they will evoid to play against each other, and mean while shorter stacks will fight in between untill all stacks gets more or less even. Then they will split the tables and put a big stack on a table with 7 shortstacks just before the bubble, i have noticed that and believe me, it costed me more than 1 tournament. And i am not talking about 1 day bad luck. Ive been running like this for a months now. (More than 7 months i think..) In all that time i had a good streak on sngs, untill from being losing player, i had about 50$ profit than it begined again untill i becamed even, and now what ever i do, i just lose or win in the long run the amount of sngs to keep my stats around 0.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:15 PM   #1704
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i know that hes not folding any 2 cards preflop (atleast i go all in ofcourse, but i dont feel like all in monkey.)
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poker is still beatable, but the games are " rigged for RAKE ".
you know that he was talking about a tournament, where the "rake" was paid up front, right?
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Have you ever noticed, when you are playing MTT on full tilt, they puts 3 top10 big stacks on 1 same table ? And i can explain why they do so, why being 3 big stacks on the same table, they will evoid to play against each other, and mean while shorter stacks will fight in between untill all stacks gets more or less even. Then they will split the tables and put a big stack on a table with 7 shortstacks just before the bubble, i have noticed that and believe me, it costed me more than 1 tournament. And i am not talking about 1 day bad luck. Ive been running like this for a months now. (More than 7 months i think..) In all that time i had a good streak on sngs, untill from being losing player, i had about 50$ profit than it begined again untill i becamed even, and now what ever i do, i just lose or win in the long run the amount of sngs to keep my stats around 0.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:18 PM   #1705
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tk1133 and sooperfish are taking a short break.

In their absence Username^^ has kindly agreed to keep the paranoia level up.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:22 PM   #1706
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you know that he was talking about a tournament, where the "rake" was paid up front, right?
Now rake was paid up front, but you will still can enter another tournament and pay more rake up front dont you ? Lets say you decided to play an MTT and you get sucked out after 1.5hr, you will think oh well, i still have planty of time to play another tournament. Just dont be ignorant please, i am not an idiot and i am not saying that it is 100% rigged, but you just have to look at the facts. Since online poker was banned in USA, there are no way they can legitimetly control games and i think if someone wouldnt take an advantage of it (Like they did on UB and AP) They would be just stupid. When more you get, more you want.
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Have you ever noticed, when you are playing MTT on full tilt, they puts 3 top10 big stacks on 1 same table ? And i can explain why they do so, why being 3 big stacks on the same table, they will evoid to play against each other, and mean while shorter stacks will fight in between untill all stacks gets more or less even. Then they will split the tables and put a big stack on a table with 7 shortstacks just before the bubble, i have noticed that and believe me, it costed me more than 1 tournament. And i am not talking about 1 day bad luck. Ive been running like this for a months now. (More than 7 months i think..) In all that time i had a good streak on sngs, untill from being losing player, i had about 50$ profit than it begined again untill i becamed even, and now what ever i do, i just lose or win in the long run the amount of sngs to keep my stats around 0.
I donno what you're talking about in the second part, but the first part with putting bigger stacks with bigger stacks I've seen time and time again. I do think there's some reason they do it, let casual players who haven't built any kind of stack more bang for their buck or something. I just know every time I amass a top ten stack with like 100 players left and they break my table I somehow always without fail end up at the same table with 4 other top ten stacks, and I look at other tables and usually about 2 of them have 8 stacks with 10ish big blinds and one average stack. I'm far from a rigtard but I see this all the time, especially on FTP.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:25 PM   #1708
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tk1133 and sooperfish are taking a short break.

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You can call it how ever you want, but as i posted before i have a bb/100 rate of over 30 in MTTs and i didnt had any major wining.
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You can call it how ever you want, but as i posted before i have a bb/100 rate of over 30 in MTTs and i didnt had any major wining.
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BB/100 is for cash games. You're meaning to say ROI%
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Now rake was paid up front, but you will still can enter another tournament and pay more rake up front dont you ? Lets say you decided to play an MTT and you get sucked out after 1.5hr, you will think oh well, i still have planty of time to play another tournament. Just dont be ignorant please, i am not an idiot and i am not saying that it is 100% rigged, but you just have to look at the facts. Since online poker was banned in USA, there are no way they can legitimetly control games and i think if someone wouldnt take an advantage of it (Like they did on UB and AP) They would be just stupid. When more you get, more you want.
You have yet to provide any facts only pure paranoia and speculation. Facts would be showing some sort of statistical anomaly over a large sample size of hands. Of course no rigtard has the intellect to be able to do this, yet. Maybe one day a super-rigtard will come along that actually has the ability to gather "evidence" and this debate may actually go somewhere, but until then we just have a bunch of fear mongers waving their hands in the air.
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You can call it how ever you want, but as i posted before i have a bb/100 rate of over 30 in MTTs and i didnt had any major wining.
bb/100 in tournaments? How are we supposed to take you seriously?
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Since online poker was banned in USA, there are no way they can legitimetly control games ...
So, in your opinion, the answer would be a US regulatory authority?
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You can call it how ever you want, but as i posted before i have a bb/100 rate of over 30 in MTTs and i didnt had any major wining.
This is like one of those logic puzzles.

Which ****** thought that bb/100 was a good measure for tournies?

Which rigtard is obsessed with US regulatory control?

Which new gimmick account has, in ten minutes shown :

a) a predisposition to indicate his poker prowess by bb/100 in tournies.

b) that he believes the rigging problem started with the US banning of OLP?
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ok what ever, i have a negative ROI -10% or so in mtts, -1% on sngs - witch is rake i generate in the long run, But i am talking about bb/100, i know that it sounds weird, but i
am trying to say is that i have played a correct aproach to a game by playing right odds etc. Is it so hard to understand ?
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ok what ever, i have a negative ROI -10% or so in mtts, -1% on sngs - witch is rake i generate in the long run, But i am talking about bb/100, i know that it sounds weird, but i
am trying to say is that i have played a correct aproach to a game by playing right odds etc. Is it so hard to understand ?
It's hard to take you in any way seriously.
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ok what ever, i have a negative ROI -10% or so in mtts, -1% on sngs - witch is rake i generate in the long run, But i am talking about bb/100, i know that it sounds weird, but i
am trying to say is that i have played a correct aproach to a game by playing right odds etc. Is it so hard to understand ?
Yes, it is. I understand what you're saying. You have a positive bb/100 in TOURNAMENT CHIPS. The vast majority of tournament players have a positive bb/100 because you win more bbs in the early stages than later. Those that don't are the ones that are like -100% roi who blast off stacks in the first level of every tournament. If you double up in the first level you win 100bbs but if you double at like 500/1k you'll win like 10bbs.

And because of that, the fact that you have a positive bb/100 in tournament play means absolutely nothing.
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You can call it how ever you want, but as i posted before i have a bb/100 rate of over 30 in MTTs and i didnt had any major wining.
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ok, bad example then. Anyway, i just wanted to say my opinion without anykind of acusations and you all started to bite me. It looks that you care about it more than ones who really think that its rigged.
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ok, bad example then. Anyway, i just wanted to say my opinion without anykind of acusations and you all started to bite me. It looks that you care about it more than ones who really think that its rigged.
Hey, I agreed with you in one respect, and now you know to use ROI instead of bb/100 in tournaments. look at the bright side
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Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched to Full Tilt six months ago. The first few months were much better over on Full Tilt.

Now Full Tilt is worse than Poker Stars ever was. The past month has been brutal. Tonight I've had pocket aces six times. All six times I lost to someone with a lower pocket pair.

I can't tell you how many times (at least 100 times the past thee weeks) where someone needs one card, especially two or three hours into a tournament, and they hit when odds are 90 to 95% in my favor.

You tell yourself that's poker until it happens time after time after time.

I enjoy playing poker online but I'm about ready to give it up. There doesn't seem to be a site to where it plays out like a casino. You see bad beats in a casino but NOTHING like Full Tilt and Poker Stars back when I played over on that site.

Curious as to others observations. Is there a site that's on the up and up or is it time to retire from online poker where you start to get the feeling the deck literally is stacked against you?
i feel the same way man. its constant bad beats! especially when u way out in the lead in a hand
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ok, bad example then. Anyway, i just wanted to say my opinion without anykind of acusations and you all started to bite me. It looks that you care about it more than ones who really think that its rigged.
And which rigtard is it that uses as part of his whining technique irrelevant accusations that anyone who contradicts him must be suspiciously concerned to persude people that sites are not rigged? (As if not wanting idiocy to remain unchallenged was not a good enough reason to post).

You share your idiotic tendencies somewhat closely with certain other tenacious ******s and rigtards.
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i feel the same way man. its constant bad beats! especially when u way out in the lead in a hand
And yet another bright, shiney, new gimick account rolls, freshly minted, off the assembly line.
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There is no way you can prove its rigged statisticly. I have one idea, but i dont have hand historys and tools to examine it. We could check MTTs on full tilt, and the percentages the big hands holds up depending on the stack sizes and against a players with more or less experience. And similar stuff. I think you could also put your ideas around here, and maybe someone will decide to do it some day :-).
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And which rigtard is it that uses as part of his whining technique irrelevant accusations that anyone who contradicts him must be suspiciously concerned to persude people that sites are not rigged? (As if not wanting idiocy to remain unchallenged was not a good enough reason to post).

You share your idiotic tendencies somewhat closely with certain other tenacious ******s and rigtards.
I think you have a rigtard sindrome more than any other person here.
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There is no way you can prove its rigged statisticly.
There are plenty of ways to analyze a database of hand histories to test the validity of the deal.


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I have one idea, but i dont have hand historys and tools to examine it.
Well, ok, there is no way you can analyze anything in terms of statistical significance.


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We could check MTTs on full tilt, and the percentages the big hands holds up depending on the stack sizes and against a players with more or less experience. And similar stuff. I think you could also put your ideas around here, and maybe someone will decide to do it some day :-).

Well, sort of sounds like you have a belief based on some bad luck or something. Keep in mind that we have seen both of these rigged theories put forward:

1) Big stacks win too many hands in tournaments

Main reason for this rigged belief:

Makes tournaments finish faster so more rake for the site


2) Small stacks win too many hands in tournaments


Main reason for this rigged belief:

Helps bad players who tend to have smaller stacks.


Odds are that both theories cannot both be true at the same time, however that does not stop both from having people who believe they are each absolutely true. They tend to not have databases of hands they can analyze as well. Go figure.
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