OK i will stop beating this issue like a dead horse if some one can show me large volume of all ins pocket pair vs two overs inrelation to stack size.
Either my mind is playing tricks on me or the bigger stack is winng 80 percent of these

Presumably all sites on the same network use the same deck of cards, so presumably they need to all be shuffled the same way.

I'm reluctant to comment on particular poker sites in any significant detail since I work for a competitor.

I don't know about that one. I have seen guys a couple of times, still 100 or so out from the final table, down to 2 or so BBs and then proceed to win a few flips in a row and make the final table.

Just playing 6 man Hyper Turbos I have been down to under a BB a few times and won the thing.

I only have limited experience in online tourneys but I haven't seen anything to arouse suspicion.

That being said, if you are so convinced that there is a problem, then why do you ask others to prove your points? Why don't you take the onus upon yourself to provide evidence of this so called "rigging"?

As much as Sn8ke was an intellectually bankrupt xenophobe, at least he was going to try and provide evidence of what he suspected.

Careful, he'll probably interpret that as reason to post one hand history as proof.

I was just wondering more or less did any one test this out because alot of people see this to . i wouldnt be shocked if it was as high as 75-80 percent infavour big stack

See my post above ^^ Why don't you take the initiative and try and gather evidence yourself, instead of just whingeing all day and night in front of your PC.

I mean, you seem to have a lot of faith in your convictions but how about going one step further than just faith and provide hard, cold facts of statistical anomalies, hence proving once and for all that online poker, is indeed, a sham.

i mostly play cash games now so wouldnt be able to

FYP

It is possible with current technology but it would be utterly useless unless:

a) There was only one game being played at a time*.
b) You knew the exact algorithms that were used to convert the RNG output to a deal.


The fact that more than one game is being played at a time is a double whammy because it means that not only could you not make use of any pattern you found but you would not be able to get the data in the first place.

In fact, the same applies to a lack of knowledge about the subsequent algorithms.

lol

All cake skins are playing on the same servers and in the same games, so yes. The same is true for other networks.

As for the pseudo-RNG used by cake and some other sites, those are plenty good enough for poker when properly implemented. Hell, a human shuffle is considered good enough for poker, and that's way way inferior to a Mersenne twister CSPRNG. The reason it is often pointed out that FT and PS use true hardware RNGs is because some idiot wants to argue that it's impossible for anything on a computer to be random.

Then why would you ever play that hand as the small stack? Profit from your knowledge.

And thank God for quantum mechanics otherwise we would have them arguing that there's nothing random off one, either.

Don't forget, it's really only a small percentage of riggies who qualify as 'tards.

And even they will be treated respectfully if the ask a sensible question (that they haven't had answered on multiple previous occasions) or make a sensible point.

Thank you

Dude I have been at the Hollywood casino in Indiana playing side WPT tournies for the past 3 days. I'll send you the HHs whenever I get around to it. I have no clue whatsoever how to even email them to someone, so whenever I get around to it, it is going to take me some time to figure it out. Its no secret I am an idiot when it comes to this kind of computer stuff. I dont even know how to attach something to an email I want to send.

Spadebidder has already given you step by step instructions.

Stop being a douche and get them shipped.

You were posting every few minutes until someone called your buff and now it's just: "whenever".

Why would I duck you anyways? I have been wanting to see my own HHs analized for quite some time now. I have already shipped money on a prop bet taking the side of it being rigged.

I want to move to the non-rigged side of this argument. I play online MTTs for a living. Knowing that the deal is legit would give me so much peace of mind.

Why are you so adament on doing this for me? You gain nothing. I am not paying you. What do you gain?

first of all I dont have but probably 10% of my HHs saved to this computer. The rest are in responses from support when I asked for them all thru email. I havent asked for them in a while so I will have to get more.

I emailed support, and I am waiting on them to send them to me

Why I am never surprised when riggies don't have all their HHs? Don't you guys at least want to invest in something like HEM of PT and actually do ANY overview before making your accusations?

Naw, didn't think so. Would be too easy to figure out that you're FOS.

Paranoia is such a comfort. Ignorance is bliss.

Reconciling those two things is going to take a lot of effort and study. It's difficult to overcome an irrational belief with rational argument. The problem is that you have chosen a very high variance game structure and one where the odds are against you by its very nature. Hold'em tournaments require luck to win them or even to make the final table because of the elimination structure. You have to play a lot of them and expect to lose most of them. This makes you start scrutinizing all the unlucky losses for patterns that are not there. The most skillful player in the world will win a fairly small factor more than the average MTT player, because the luck factor in MTTs is so large. There is much less luck involved in producing a steady income stream from cash games.

There's a reason that a full-time MTT player needs to have 300-500 buyins in his bankroll to avoid risk of ruin. A cash player only needs 50, and can usually get by with 20-30.

Hmm, not too bad for a first attempt at a mean shill routine, but perhaps I can help.


Know what, I don't think you are technically ducking anyone. You just are so deeply paranoid and unqualified to even understand the basic concepts of math and statistical analysis, that your mere existence hinders any process if you get involved.

You shipping money proves nothing but that you are an emotional degen who likes to validate himself in ways that cost you money. World's filled with guys like that, they are rarely called "winners."

I'd ask you why you think it is specifically rigged against you, but if I do that it is only to stoke the fire of paranoia that burns inside you to see if anything creative comes out.


You have no interest in moving to the non-rigged side. If you did, you would just approach tournaments in a professional manner and understand that variance is a big part of the game (really big in MTTs).

You want to whine about how you are so unlucky and wah wah wah etc.


The last thing you ever want to accept is that the deal is legit. We know that even if you do not.


Personally I gain entertainment value for a short time from genuine riggies when they dance their riggie dance


Dance Riggie Dance!!!!




See Arouet, that's more how it is done if you want to be a "mean shill."

Keep up the good work, there will be plenty of more riggies long after this guy vanishes.

This is not new news to me. I know of everything you are addressing and I agree with it all. The only thing I am concerned about is my all in preflop hands. If I can be shown that I am running at least close to expectation I will move to the nonrigged side, no questions asked. Ive been keeping track of my AIPF hands... just writing down on a notepad what the cards were and if I won. I havent run to expectation in 59 out of my last 60 sessions. Im winning 38% of my races. I m winning 48% of my 75/25's and 70/30's combined. I winning 8% of my 20/80's. And through this stretch I am making the money more than I ever have (19%). I am up $22,000, and it honestly doesnt feel like I am running any different than I ever have.

Send the hands, all hands that you have ever played, and we'll see. Don't do any selection at all, just zip up everything.

If you play on Stars, MichaelJ would be happy to assist you.

Ive played more hands of online poker than probably every person that's posted in this thread. Ive never ran PT or HEM or anything and Ive never ran any tests on my hands. I am only going by my personal experiences and my personal beliefs. When I see the proof come back I will be converted, I promise you. Im not quitting playing either way, Ive never claimed to have any proof of it being rigged.

Ive emailed support and when my HHs come I will email them to one of you.

here is all the info I want. I dont want any more or any less.

I want my total record in all in reflop hands and I want them broken down in catagories (50/50.. 75/25... 20/80... etc).

Rules for a hand to qualify...

1. Either me or my opponent MUST be all in prior to the flop.
2. The hand must be shown down. I dont want the ahnd where I go all in PF and he folds to count. Only ones that get called and shown down.