On the food chain of intellect, riggies rank amongst the lowest of all life forms. A cockroach has more neural activity and uses more logic making a left turn than most riggies can muster up itt.

but non riggies are lieing scum how can we trust what you are saying?

Good post, it provided a lot to the forum and you made yourself look really smart in the process.

Trust or not, it's the truth.

Thank you for your input and I value your opinion very much. I look forward to hearing more from you in the future. Thanks again.


..l.,

I would say poker site shrills are probabaly a tad lower <cough>.

You...? Get your ass back to your freeroll thread.

Nah. They have jobs

So are you owning up to being one?

My offer was very clear, you give the HH's over and I'll run whatever analysis you request on it.

I will run your entire hand history through a clean version of HEM on a machine that doesn't have it installed yet....hell, tell you what since I knew someone would claim we'd modify your HH when we do the analysis, I'll even camtasia the entire thing from installing HEM to importing your data to running each step of the analysis.

I won't run the data through S-Plus or any stats modelling packages that I have, I won't use any tools that anyone else won't likely have available to them...I will just use the tools that are freely available to everyone to get and verify their own data with to get evidence to bring here to back up their claims it's rigged that more strenuous checking can then be done with.

This is the last time I'll make this offer to you though and those are the steps I'm willing to do, either put your HH's where your mouth is or try to weasel out of it and change the terms yet again, it's your choice but I have a feeling I know what you'll do.

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In case you have missed it before, my qualifications for performing the analysis are a B.Commerce majoring in risk management and options finiancing, a B.Science majoring in comp sci and stats and 20 years working as an applications developer.

What's awesome is he could take the data HE HIMSELF gives for analysis and verify the results with any 2nd party's findings.

But no, he's a professional player that can't set the simplest filters and relies on statistical 'feel' for a million hand database... ****ing Rainman.

Alright then! Im not weaseling out of anything. so let me get this straight... I get every HH Ive ever played at Poker Stars (I have most of them already)... I email them to you... you will be able to...

1. Only focus on all in preflop hands where it is heads up with one of us being all in preflop.

2. You can tell me my record in races? pair over pair hands... 75/25's... etc? That is all I am concerned about. I want to know I am winning 50% of my races... 75% of my 75/25's... etc.

I could do this too if he provides hands. But I'll let you because I'd prefer to use custom analysis to show more than what you can get out of something like HM or PT. I'll show the chance that various sets of events are non-random (including the all-in hands he mentioned).

AMEC0404 - you should zip you your hand histories and upload them somewhere. If you have as much as you say it will be too much to email.

i dont have holdem manager. i tried it out once, it tilted the eff outta me and I got a refund. i told you all I am pretty dumb when it comes to that computer tech talk crap. I cant even attach something to an email so doing a zip fiule or whatever is goin to be a task in itself.

all i care about is my record in 50/50 hands... 75/25 hands etc and aon down the line. that is all I want to know. If I am even close to expectation I will admit I was wrong.

IMO both are probably useful. Kny's analysis will more reflect what any of us can do, without much expertise. Spade's analysis can show what can be done with some more skill. Actually it will be interesting to compare the value of each analysis, to see just what can be done by non-experts vs. experts.

Correct

Yeah Spade, I'd actually like to see your output on it as well from your software...I only have access to PT and HEM outside of standard commercial stats packages and figure most of the people we keep asking to provide evidence of rigging would only have HEM or PT to find data to bring us before more strenuous testing like yours can be done so why not just use what they can have first.

Yeah, the problem with those is you'll still have to write a hand parser to put them in a database for analysis. I already have some code to do that.

Aye, that's also why I am focusing on only using HEM on my side...just can't be assed to spend the time to write the parser, even if all the HH's are only following one format

You could probably figure out how to read the HEM database, assuming they store everything. I've never looked at it. They might even have a schema published somewhere. But this assumes they put everything in the database and not just put the hand history in a single field for the playback feature, and only have selected data parsed out.

Nope. I don't have a job.

I wanna see data on mtts all in preflop 50/50 short vs large stack large sample size ftp and poker stars

Yeah, HEM stores it all in a postgres db on your pc. I have full access to the schema and can run any queries against it that I feel like creating if I go into the sql command console.

Guess if I can get S-plus to talk with SQL that would be very cool way of doing it in future for my own data....will have to see if that's possible.

Then get the data and import it into HEM and run your tests, it's not really rocket science.

Do sites give out info on how the deal is done, ie how randomness is ensured.

I have not seen much info published on this at all which is rather surprising.

I know how to play poker not run all these test