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Old 04-06-2009, 12:44 AM   #1576
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Re: frequency of running KK into AA online versus live

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and this is why poker in all forms will continue to be profitable

thanks for another scholarly thread
and this obviously
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Old 04-06-2009, 01:46 AM   #1577
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There should be more of these IMHO.
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:04 AM   #1578
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i think OP might be on to something.
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:15 AM   #1579
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i think OP might be on something.
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:28 AM   #1580
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also fwiw I've basically seen AA run into KK or AK every time I've been to Canterbury but Canterbury is definitely rigged.
You should move to Bridge.
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:32 AM   #1581
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Markusgc, i must ask.. do you have anything better to do with your time?
What an odd question from someone who only just registered and has so few posts.

Do I spot a shiny new gimmick account?

Can we expect to see more of this poster on the rigged threads?
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:10 AM   #1582
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

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I mean what can I do....? You guys can do all the searching I can. You can even go to any ".Gov" site and write an email and ask....
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tk, while I don't think you're Stephen Meares (you could be, but I don't make accusations without proof), you certainly are exhibiting one of his most aggravating traits. You made a statement that seemed to imply you would be coming with some evidence, and then never did. You've been asked about it several times, and AFAIK have never even acknowledged the questions. So what's up?
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:28 AM   #1583
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tk, while I don't think you're Stephen Meares (you could be, but I don't make accusations without proof), you certainly are exhibiting one of his most aggravating traits. You made a statement that seemed to imply you would be coming with some evidence, and then never did. You've been asked about it several times, and AFAIK have never even acknowledged the questions. So what's up?
This is a standard technique for ******ed posters here and in many other places.

They will assert something and continue to assert it in the face of all logical reason.

If someone manages to post something that really puts them on the spot they'll either ignore it completely or promise to post something in the near future. Either way they stop with that assertion for a while and a couple of days later simply start up again.

You can observe this behaviour in the posts of smears, th1133 and sooperfish.

I'm tempted to say: "Così pesce tutte"

But that would be unfair to fish who just accept the fact that they're not too go and don't come up with ******ed rigging theories to explain it.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:49 AM   #1584
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

I dont get how this thread is so "out of hand"
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:51 AM   #1585
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I'm tempted to say: "Così pesce tutte"
Mange tout, Rodney
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:05 AM   #1586
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Played several thousand hands tonight never got pocket 7's once got Aces 4 times online poker must be rigged, ;P
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:48 AM   #1587
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Re: frequency of running KK into AA online versus live

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See, this is the prefect thing that anyone with poker tracker can check. Just look at all of your KK hands and see which ones were all in preflop versus ace rag and see what the win and loss rate is overall.

Should not take too long, but the results probably will disappoint you as you find your KK actually does win about 65-70% of the time. Poker tracker is annoying that way, it does not only remember the bad beats.

Don't worry, no one expects you will back your 50% loss claim. I am merely suggesting how you could easily prove it if it were indeed true.

All the best.
I can check that, i have a little bit over 4K SNG's into my poker tracker (Sharkscope says i have played around 4,5K SNG's, don't know where those 500 are lost) and that's around 200K hands, 'cause 1K SNG's is around 50K hands. Mostly those are 1.10$ and 3.25$ 45 men turbos and some 2.20$ 180 men turbos. I think 10K SNG's sample would be enought to spot some serious patterns, but 4K SNG's sample isn't that small.

I have been delt KK 900 times, where can i check how many times i have shoved preflop KK and been agains Ace rag? I'm not very good with those poker tracker filters and stuff, can someone guide me how can i filter all preflop shoves with KK when i'm against Ace rag? it's kinda hard to manually check those stats...
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Old 04-06-2009, 11:58 AM   #1588
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSm-ibO5Jf4
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:01 PM   #1589
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Difference between live vs online....

LIVE When someone is way behind they are basically packing to go home and saying their last prayers.

ONLINE When someone is way ahead they praying and praying for their hand to hold up.


Me 10 10

Flop 3 10 3

I still lose to KQ.

Me 8 8

Flop A 8 3

I still lose to AK

I expect bad beats playing 4 hours a day but BS like this all the time.

If there is money involved I would never trust anyone or anything or any site.

Atleast getting a Royal/Straight Flush seems realistic
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:07 PM   #1590
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Difference between live vs online....

LIVE When someone is way behind they are basically packing to go home and saying their last prayers.

ONLINE When someone is way ahead they praying and praying for their hand to hold up.


Me 10 10

Flop 3 10 3

I still lose to KQ.

Me 8 8

Flop A 8 3

I still lose to AK

I expect bad beats playing 4 hours a day but BS like this all the time.

If there is money involved I would never trust anyone or anything or any site.

Atleast getting a Royal/Straight Flush seems realistic



K13............................................... ..... tk1133
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:11 PM   #1591
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If there is money involved I would never trust anyone or anything or any site.
so, what, you operate strictly on the barter system?
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:15 PM   #1592
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Difference between live vs online....

LIVE When someone is way behind they are basically packing to go home and saying their last prayers.

ONLINE When someone is way ahead they praying and praying for their hand to hold up.


Me 10 10

Flop 3 10 3

I still lose to KQ.

Me 8 8

Flop A 8 3

I still lose to AK

I expect bad beats playing 4 hours a day but BS like this all the time.

If there is money involved I would never trust anyone or anything or any site.

Atleast getting a Royal/Straight Flush seems realistic
Oh, good grief!
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:17 PM   #1593
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so, what, you operate strictly on the barter system?
You do realise they rig the play money tables as well?
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Old 04-06-2009, 01:32 PM   #1594
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Difference between live vs online....

LIVE When someone is way behind they are basically packing to go home and saying their last prayers.

ONLINE When someone is way ahead they praying and praying for their hand to hold up.

I expect bad beats playing 4 hours a day but BS like this all the time.
Well then obviously since you've figured out the system, you just need to get it all in way behind. You'd think if you figured out such an easy way to win, you'd keep it to yourself and exploit it, but you're a true hero and savior, K13 for sharing this with the rest of us.
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:01 PM   #1595
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5niJi0VL8Fc

This isn't a reference to online poker is rigged, but can anybody honestly tell me if they heard about this. At 3 minutes in there's an MSNBC reporter talking about AI programs. It was poster april 4th 2009 so not sure if it's old news or not....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5niJi0VL8Fc

This isn't a reference to online poker is rigged, but can anybody honestly tell me if they heard about this. At 3 minutes in there's an MSNBC reporter talking about AI programs. It was poster april 4th 2009 so not sure if it's old news or not....
I think it's a college in Canada that's working on making an AI system capable of beating human players at heads up limit hold 'em, although the article I read said that it used predetermined starting hands and boards, and recorded how the human players played their hands, then switched it around for the next match, meaning in match 1 hand 1, the computer had AK and the human player had 77 or something, then in match 2 hand 1 the computer had 77 and the human had AK.

The only bots that I know about that have been somewhat successful online were for microstakes hyperturbos because they're one of the few forms of poker that can be reasonably "solved".
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:25 PM   #1597
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OMG. That Global Consciousness Project is about folks much crazier than poker rigtards. The basic premise is that hardware entropy (in true RNGs) is influenced in predictable ways by human thoughts and moods. So just think happy thoughts and good cards will be dealt to you.

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

I'm not making this up. TK, you've gone off the deep end.

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Old 04-06-2009, 02:40 PM   #1598
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Well then obviously since you've figured out the system, you just need to get it all in way behind. You'd think if you figured out such an easy way to win, you'd keep it to yourself and exploit it, but you're a true hero and savior, K13 for sharing this with the rest of us.
I'm already profitable. I majored in stats and they don't add up.
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:46 PM   #1599
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I'm already profitable. I majored in stats and they don't add up.
OK, so you're profitable.

But, according to you, for whatever reason, probability isn't working. (i.e. the stats don't add up).

So, enlighten us, how do you play your game?

Have you worked out the site's rigging algorithm to such an extent that you can gimmick your play to match it?

Or you just another pathetic rigtard bull*****ter?
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Or you just another pathetic rigtard bull*****ter?
you are the pathetic one spending so much time in here "pulling the tails of rigtards". you and markusgc should go have a tea party or something, foreal
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