Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

03-01-2010 , 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk1133
I don't have "Secrets." It's called privacy. Somethings I want left private so I'm not linked to my personal life. You're still in touch with reality right? I mean outside of the internet? There is no doubt in my mind you're a shill. There's only one other possible explanation. I'll leave it there b/c unlike you I feel bad when I personally attack people and think for a minute it might hurt their moral or effect their personal life outside of this thread.
Heh, when have I ever asked you or anyone about anything specific about you? Hint, never, because while the diplomatic reason would be it is none of my business, the reality is I just do not care.

Many of your posts give vague references to people you know who know things, and things you have seen without any proof. You can call that privacy if you like, but it is just "conspiracy guy secrets" syndrome.

As I said, I understand that and the reasoning behind it from your perspective. That hidden knowledge (or privacy if you prefer...) gives you power in your mind.



Quote:
Originally Posted by tk1133
The problem is the way you go about it. Prime example: It gets personal with you guys. When I talk about time travel it's a debate, have fun, people say dumb things, nobody gets mad.
But you say online poker is corrupted, the crusade and stoning begins.
Don't lump us all together. I want all forms of corruption in the industry I am a regular participant to be found and eliminated. What Josem did for instance is fantastic. What casinomeister does is fantastic.

You just create vague theories with a ton of xenophobia in the mix, and never provide any solid evidence other than opinions. Everyone has opinions.

I am not against you because you want to "fight evil corruption." I am against you because you never prove anything, you just create noise. Prove something and I will support you. Until you do you are basically a standard conspiracy guy (all of whom are champions at fighting evil in their minds).
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk1133
But you say online poker is corrupted, the crusade and stoning begins.
1) You are repeatedly libeling organisations when you say "online poker is corrupted".

2) You are repeatedly libeling individuals when you call them shills.

3) You keep saying it over and over again without any Evidence.

Clue: If you come on here time and time again and state that Lyons is the capital of France or the lightest atomic element is helium, you will be corrected time and time again.

People do care when false information is disseminated by idiots who do not know what they are talking about.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk1133
I don't have "Secrets." It's called privacy. Somethings I want left private so I'm not linked to my personal life.
Then stop teasing! You dangle hidden knowledge that you say proves your case, and then refuse to reveal the info. If you have no intention of sharing, then don't mention it in the first place!

Quote:
You're still in touch with reality right? I mean outside of the internet? There is no doubt in my mind you're a shill. There's only one other possible explanation. I'll leave it there b/c unlike you I feel bad when I personally attack people and think for a minute it might hurt their moral or effect their personal life outside of this thread.
TK, as I understand it, you don't believe the RNG is rigged. Which means you no doubt agree with 90% of what the "shills" argue in their substantive posts.

Pretty well every reg "shill" here has posted what their motivations are. Are they in some way unrealistic? These same shills have described in detail what would be required to prove the deal is rigged and have even offered pretty well anyone help in doing so.

People waste oh so much time on 2+2, I know I do, in various forums. People allocate a certain period of time they want to surf. When the threads I am following have no new input, or the forums I like, I'll start glancing at forums I don't normally participate in (though I'm a big lurker in other threads). Somehow you don't find that convincing, but I'm not sure why?

You actually do appear to have a head on your shoulders and the arguments the "shills" make cannot possibly go over your head. So what's the problem here?

Last edited by Arouet; 03-01-2010 at 12:27 PM. Reason: Fixed quotes
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 12:25 PM
So far noone proofed onlinepoker is rigged.

But its proofed douzend times that cheating, collusion is more or less usual.

None of the sites offers a 100% fair game so look to your results and play or let it be.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 12:26 PM
QPW - I noticed you hit pooh bah recently. Since you are so mysterious I'd really be interested if you would take the opportunity to do a traditional pooh bah post of some kind. You post in a variety of topics just as I do.

I've been considering whether I will do one or not. I'm not sure whether it would seem pretentious, but if I have something to offer then I might.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spadebidder
QPW - I noticed you hit pooh bah recently. Since you are so mysterious I'd really be interested if you would take the opportunity to do a traditional pooh bah post of some kind. You post in a variety of topics just as I do.

I've been considering whether I will do one or not. I'm not sure whether it would seem pretentious, but if I have something to offer then I might.
Dude, if your study and website don't count as a pretty spectacular pooh-bah post, I don't know what should!

(not that I'd object to more from you! )
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spadebidder
QPW - I noticed you hit pooh bah recently. Since you are so mysterious I'd really be interested if you would take the opportunity to do a traditional pooh bah post of some kind. You post in a variety of topics just as I do.

I've been considering whether I will do one or not. I'm not sure whether it would seem pretentious, but if I have something to offer then I might.
I haven't heard of a 'pooh bar post'. What is it?
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arouet
Dude, if your study and website don't count as a pretty spectacular pooh-bah post, I don't know what should!
I guess I have to finish it then.

Quote:
Originally Posted by qpw
I haven't heard of a 'pooh bar post'. What is it?
Your unlikely but funny spelling error tells me you are kidding. If not, search button is your friend.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 01:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spadebidder
I guess I have to finish it then.



Your unlikely but funny spelling error
Sort of typo. Brain sent 'bah' to fingers but fingers assumed 'bar' (in the same way that you (well, I) sometimes type 'their' when I mean 'there' even though I fully aware of the difference and it hurts my eyes when I read it back).

Quote:
If not, search button is your friend.
Unfortunately it isn't because the Jelsoft forum search facility is pure garbage and if you ask for 'pooh bah post' it lists everything containing any of the three words.

Is it really such a complex concept that it would take more than a few words to explain?
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 02:14 PM
Quote:
I play in $55 MTTs most days. $215 ones on Sunday. I also play in $3/5/10 rebuys many days and $22/27/33 freezeouts. Omaha ones have much more of a limited buy in levels so I play in the $17 and sometimes a smaller one. Thus, the "average" buy in will likely be lower than the $55 level for now, especially when you include a lot of my smaller tournaments from years ago in the mix. I am also experimenting with 45/90/180 mans at the $11 level which will impact my "average buy in" but then I am not as obsessed about that figure as you are for some reason...
Still not computing their big man. Keep it up though. Your my hero.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Still not computing their big man. Keep it up though. Your my hero.
Whose 'big man'?

And what about his 'my hero'?

I know you have English as a second language but do at least try to make some sense.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by qpw
Unfortunately it isn't because the Jelsoft forum search facility is pure garbage and if you ask for 'pooh bah post' it lists everything containing any of the three words.

Is it really such a complex concept that it would take more than a few words to explain?
I agree the search feature isn't great.

CMAR explains it here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...others-547157/

It's just a milestone post when you get to 3500 posts and get the title change. It sort of says, I've been here a while and participated in a lot of discussions and learned a lot, and here's a subject I know a bit about (and why I do) for the benefit of the community. Almost always it's about poker. To see some examples, click Advanced search, select subjects only, and put "pooh bah" in quotes in the search box. And check the box to returns posts, not threads.

Incidentally, as I was typing this, my fingers put "pooh bar" and I only caught it on rereading. Power of suggestion.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 02:21 PM
So after participating in this discussion for a week or two, I find it interesting that there are people that sit here and continue to try and debate this argument day in and day out like it is their job.

So I had quit playing on Full Tilt for a few weeks, made a deposit on Bodog and in two weeks doubled my deposit at the microstakes level.

On a whim I decided to log back into Full Tilt which had a zero account balance and found that there was a little bit of money put back into my account from my rakeback service.

So I decided to just compare how I was running on Bodog to FullTilt for 1k hands to see if my bad beats on FullTilt were still going to clean my account out once more.

And guess what...

I close to double what was in my account in a few hours and start running like I was when I first opened the account. I flop sets, boats and straights getting paid off by excellent second best hands getting more action that I had seen on Bodog in days.

I had not run this good in about 60K hands of playing on the site.

Suspiciously amazing.

I wonder how long it is going to last.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Still not computing their big man. Keep it up though. Your my hero.
Priceless. Thirteen words and the intelligence just shines through.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xevoius
So after participating in this discussion for a week or two, I find it interesting that there are people that sit here and continue to try and debate this argument day in and day out like it is their job.

So I had quit playing on Full Tilt for a few weeks, made a deposit on Bodog and in two weeks doubled my deposit at the microstakes level.

On a whim I decided to log back into Full Tilt which had a zero account balance and found that there was a little bit of money put back into my account from my rakeback service.

So I decided to just compare how I was running on Bodog to FullTilt for 1k hands to see if my bad beats on FullTilt were still going to clean my account out once more.

And guess what...

I close to double what was in my account in a few hours and start running like I was when I first opened the account. I flop sets, boats and straights getting paid off by excellent second best hands getting more action that I had seen on Bodog in days.

I had not run this good in about 60K hands of playing on the site.

Suspiciously amazing.

I wonder how long it is going to last.
I don't really find it suspicious at all. So you're saying you run horribly sometimes and run well sometimes? Is this a timing theory? I mean one of two things is going to happen when you play with a small amount of money in your account. You're going to bust or run it up. I mean if I were to show you my various winrates in 1000 hand increments over those 700,000 hands, it'll be all over the map. 1000 hands is nothing.

I for one will be the first to admit I have a ton of down time. I quit my job three years ago and don't play nearly as much poker as I used to. But logic is logic and there are plenty of people making sound arguments. My wife is at work and 2+2 is just one of several things that keep me occupied.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xevoius
Suspiciously amazing.
Random sht often is.

Last week I was driving home from work and there was a zebra trotting down the interstate highway. True story. Not that this has anything to do with your post, except it was just a random thing and it was amazing.

All the best.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xevoius
So after participating in this discussion for a week or two, I find it interesting that there are people that sit here and continue to try and debate this argument day in and day out like it is their job.
Yes.

So, tell us:

Just exactly who is paying you to sow fear uncertainty and doubt about the on-line poker sites?

Enquiring minds wish to know.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spadebidder
Random sht often is.

Last week I was driving home from work and there was a zebra trotting down the interstate highway. True story. Not that this has anything to do with your post, except it was just a random thing and it was amazing.
In England we have special crossing places called 'zebra crossings' on a lot of our roads.

Unfortunately if zebra's try and use them they are in great danger of being hit.

You couldn't make it up.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 02:56 PM
Since I have pretty much adpoted the notion that online poker for the most part is probably 95% not rigged my post was sort of a half rant.

I know, it might be annoying to read for some so I apologize...

I have recently been playing a much looser style in my live games and have been the one sucking out on the river to hands that were mis bet by my opponents.

I can now clearly see how the suckouts happen time and time again at online microstakes level and I have since been reading more books and consulting some online resources to get better.

I am contemplating working my account back up without making another deposit from the smallest stakes Full Tilt offers to prove I can beat each level that I can move up through.

I think something like this to build confidence could do great things for my game online.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 03:03 PM
When your All-In EV graph trends up rather nicely and your Winnings graph goes in the exact opposite direction for 2k hands you tend to think someone is out to get you.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by qpw
Whose 'big man'?

And what about his 'my hero'?

I know you have English as a second language but do at least try to make some sense.
She is talking to me, and if you look at her past few posts that is all they are, desperate personal flames that lack any context of the conversation and reality. I would point out to nicer shills like spade that this is the way to handle people you wish to trash talk - turn them into obsessed petty stalkers and you know you have done the job, plus it gives them an activity to do instead of losing in their $1 tournaments, so you are doing them good as well by saving them money.

That banonlinelady should stick with hating non- Americans, as that is a skill she has worked on. Reading simple OPR/sharkscope graphs clearly is not one she has mastered quite yet. Thank goodness people like that play poker.

All the best.


Quote:
Originally Posted by spadebidder
Random sht often is.

Last week I was driving home from work and there was a zebra trotting down the interstate highway. True story. Not that this has anything to do with your post, except it was just a random thing and it was amazing.

All the best.

Edit: I am so proud of spade! The dark side welcomes him. Maybe one day you can have an uneducated stalker as well!

Last edited by Monteroy; 03-01-2010 at 03:11 PM.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xevoius
Since I have pretty much adpoted the notion that online poker for the most part is probably 95% not rigged my post was sort of a half rant.

I know, it might be annoying to read for some so I apologize...

I have recently been playing a much looser style in my live games and have been the one sucking out on the river to hands that were mis bet by my opponents.

I can now clearly see how the suckouts happen time and time again at online microstakes level and I have since been reading more books and consulting some online resources to get better.

I am contemplating working my account back up without making another deposit from the smallest stakes Full Tilt offers to prove I can beat each level that I can move up through.

I think something like this to build confidence could do great things for my game online.
Excellent!

Good luck, and keep us posted about your progress.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 03:07 PM
If I can pull my stats out of the muck, I might actually post my handle so you can rip my play apart and give me some feedback.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by qpw
In England we have special crossing places called 'zebra crossings' on a lot of our roads.

Unfortunately if zebra's try and use them they are in great danger of being hit.

You couldn't make it up.
I'm guessing the name is for the stripes on a pedestrian walkway, amirite?
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
03-01-2010 , 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spadebidder
I'm guessing the name is for the stripes on a pedestrian walkway, amirite?
You are right.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote

      
m