this puts a whole other spin on the "it's possible" rigtard theories

How else would somebody know what cards are coming? Just proving a point...Geez...

The lottery is regulated. The hopper is filled with space time all around the "numeric balls." The butter fly effect will not only obstruct the atmospheric pressure, but the amount of mass around the balls, therefore producing a random draw every time. Regulation prevents time travel to cash the lottery. A man was caught in N.Y manipulating the stocks after traveling back from around 2032.

Comments The above article about a time travelling stock broker came to my attention in late March 2003 as it was circulating through the net a few friends of Andy's Anachronisms forwarded me the article. Apparently YAHOO posted this story under their TV News section called Entertainment News & Gossip [see link below] and somehow some mainstream news agencies picked up the story.

What's fascinating about this story is how it's taken on a life of its own. A quick GOOGLE search for Andrew Carlssin turns up 442 references [April 8, 2003]. I largely attribute it to the fascination of people of making easy money in bad times. Assuming for five seconds that some did travel back in time to play the market, it seems highly unlikely that they would pick 2002 as time to profit on the market. Anyone making such fantastic gains when everyone else is losing their shirt is bound to look suspcious to regulators. Why not travel back to the early 1980s when the market was booming. Such gains would be easier to make and stand a better chance of going unnoticed.

That hasn't proved anything.

All you're saying is that if you could travel in time and thus know what cards were coming and what your opponent had you could make a lot of money at poker.

Pretty obvious and it still doesn't explain what point you were trying to make WRT this thread.

Poor old tk has finally, completely lost it!

So what are the "odds" of seeing numerous FH's & flushes, 3 4 of a kinds, and a straight flush all at the same table within 2 hours? I'm talking several BIG hands in one sitting at a single table in 2 hours or so...

and even better.. what are the "odds" of seeing a 4 of a kind AND straight flush together?

5 card draw tourny on PStars btw... I won't even get into the crap I sat through in NLHE

Yes, I know this isn't "proof".. but it makes you wonder what the "odds" really are

And yes, I know the sample size isn't "enough" to prove anything since we only played ~200 hands so I won't even bother saying more...

The things that make you go hmmmm

too much multitabling rush poker? overloaded his mind? turned on the giggle sauce?

LoL, yes I was being silly on purpose. As QPW saw my angle in advance much props.

Now, how stupid do those posts look.

That is dilusional, imaginitive and according to our realm, impossible.(Other then quantum theories)

From the responses it's safe to assume that online poker being rigged(by whatever means) is as mathmaticly possible as time travel.

Virtually 100% chance these things will happen to numerous players in fair poker games somewhere today. And it's nearly as certain that one of them will feel moved to post on a message board.

This is not a sarcastic answer.

Your post was better when it was nonsense...

I figured this would be the type of response I got... it just goes to show that even if I posted hand histories for ~200 hands in a single sitting of 2 hours or so, you could either say "it's not enough data" or simply give a sarcastic reply such as this.

It's like, all of a sudden, the "I know more math than you and the probability of seeing a 4,164:1 '4 of a kind' odds hand twice in ~200 hands is completely explainable.. as is 10 or more 694.2:1 'full houses' odds in those same ~200 hands.. and even 15 or more of the 507.8:1 'flush' odds in those same ~200 hands is absolutely normal by some strange 'quantum physics' level of math that you could never hope to understand, and which I cannot actually explain".

Fine, back to the drawing board.

That made me LoL I dont want to hurt myself by thinking too in depth about this. But a star that is 1 million light years away, you are seeing the light from 10 years ago. I think, every light year is 1 million miles away.

So if you turned on the flash light 1 light year away, you would see it presumably the next year? Following those steps, if you then produced enough energy to punch a hole in spacetime, then you could send the flash light back in time.

lol

1 million years = 10 years

I think I know what you were trying to say, but light travels 6 trillion miles in a year.

You see, tk, the thing about a light year, the thing that really defines it, the thing that gives it its name is:

It's the distance light travels in a year.

So if it's a million light years away any photon you see originating from it now was emitted one million years ago.

Of course, as far as the photon is concerned, it was emitted no time ago.

Isn't relativity fun?

You're right then, it must be rigged.

What responses do you want Spadebidder to give you? You want him to ignore his understanding of statistics and variance that does seem to go much further than yours (that's not an insult, he's infinitely more knowledgeable than me on this!) and just tell you what you want to hear?

His answer to you was not sarcastic.

Except that I thought all of this could actually be explained through math, variance, stats, etc... except I've not seen it explained, and every time someone questions it the only "answer" they receive is "it's explainable" followed by a "you're a rigtard"...

And perhaps maybe if people took the time to actually explain things, instead of simply slapping everyone who asks with a "shut up you stupid rigtard"... perhaps we might actually get somewhere with this entire debate.

But then, I know the answer already... "but if you took those 200 hands and compared them together with the 10 million other hands being played right now online, those numbers wouldn't be so impressive"... except that, from what I've seen, hands like the above are dealt all the time.

Ok, so If stood 6 trillion miles away and turn on the light. You wouldn't see it till next year.
By the time you saw the light, a year would of passed, thefore I turned on the light 1 year ago, proving time travel.

Now if you set off in a space ship that roughly has speeds up to 35,000mph, and I traveled at the speed of light, from Jupitor. I would beat you home by over 4 years. In the time that you're "snailing" through space doing nothing, 4 years, I've had 3 kids and digested over 800lbs of meat. Would that be time travel? I got from point A to point B faster...?

Spade gave you a quick answer. I'm sure his more detailed answer would involve the fact that many many many hands of poker are being played online at any time of day. Millions? I forget how many on average. What that means is that for some players they will be seeing very improbable things. Every day, this will happen to some players.

Now, he'll probably also say that if you're seeing too many of these improbable things, that could indicate something is wrong. But for that, you need to provide better data, and provide the number of hands, and maybe Spade can help you figure out where what you are seeing fits in a normal distribution.

Except that if/when I try to do this, unless I can give 100 million of my own hands played, I will be told that "it's not enough data"... And that has always been the "defending argument" throughout this entire thread...

CJ Just ask them this,


I am not asking so don't shoot the messenger, let him or somebody else copy and paste my spoiler before answering...

It all depends on what you are tesitng for, as I understand it. Why don't you tell us what you want to test for specifically, and I'm sure one of these guys can tell you how many hands you'll need for a reliable sample.

If one were to rig an RNG, by manually or automaticly to make: "the bad players, Americans, French, players who just cashed out, ect." lose, by foreseeing that no amount of HH's can statisticly prove an RNG is rigged or not unless you account for all hole cards preflop.

Example of an HH report that I'm refering to would be one like the UB/AP report sent mistakenly showing all individual hole cards.
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Precisely why I stated the only way to prove one way or another would be for the poker rooms to open up and make hand histories public. And, we already know this will never happen, which also means we'll never be able to provide the proof the defenders of this argument are 'requiring'. So, all of us 'rigtards' are simply wasting our time questioning anything, and the 'pros' know this, and know that we are wasting our time; which is why they do nothing but 'defend' with 'math' they cannot explain, and call us rigtards.

And it wouldn't matter how many hands histories I could personally show... Even if I gave 100 trillion hands, the data would be incomplete and therefore broken down and explained away, with the hopes of convincing me that everything is on the up and up even though we both know I just gave you 100 trillion lines of incomplete data.

It would be like saying "hey, here's a 2 million page book. I only want you to read every 10th page, then write a 200 page thesis explaining everything that happened in the book".

Exactly let's figure out this time travel thing.

My original post today was more or less an example of the things numerous people are complaining about. I wasn't suggesting testing anything on that.. merely stating that those are occurrences that I see happen very, very often, as do numerous other people... and all we ever get for "answers" are "shut up rigtard!".

What does time travel have to do with anything?

Stiverson can spin the arguement anyway that works in his favor and omit the plausible facts. Also power in numbers will work in their advantage,for there are many bottom feeders out there that randomly and periodicly jump on the bandwagon.