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02-24-2010 , 10:37 AM
indianaV8 has collected billions of hands so whatever small sample you do isn't going to be much

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...h-beta-452536/
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02-24-2010 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
duck
Drunk Duck

~ 6 - 8 duck breasts, boneless & skinless
~ 1 can cream of mushroom soup
~ 1 can cream of chicken soup
~ 1 canister chicken stove top stuffing or cornbread stuffing
~ blush wine

Mix the soups together. Pour half of it into a baking dish.

Place the duck on top of the soup mixture.

Cover the duck with the rest of the soup mixture.

Cover the duck with about 1 inch of the stuffing mix. You can use more or less, just make sure the soup mixture is covered well.

Saturate the stuffing with the wine. Saturate well or the stuffing will burn.

Bake at 350 degrees for 45 - 60 minutes or until duck is done.

If the stuffing is browning to quickly, loosely cover with aluminum foil.

Serve & Enjoy!
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02-24-2010 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
kid
Cabrito al Pator (Broiled Kid)

* 2 Kids [baby goats], 6 1/2 to -8 1/2 lbs each
* 3 tb Salt
* 1 c Mild vinegar

For the garnish:

* 2 c Guacamole (recipe -separately)
* 3 tb White onion, chopped
* 1 c Tomato, finely chopped
* 3 tb Cilantro, finely chopped
* 3 tb Chiles serranos, finely -chopped
* 1 Recipe Frijoles de Olla, -mashed (recipe separately)
* 1 1/2 c Mozzarella OR Monterey Jack -cheese, freshly grated
* 16 Totopos (crisply fried -tortilla wedges)

For the kid:
Put kids in a large stockpot, and cover with water. Add salt and vinegar. Set aside for 2 hours. Meanwhile, build a pile of mesquite wood on the ground, and burn down to white coals. Remove kids from water and thread on spits.
Arrange over the hot coals, and roast for 2 to 3 hours, depending on the kids' weight, basting occasionally with a little salted water.
Turn spits continuously so that the meat cooks evenly, or use a rotisserie. Add more white coals if necessary.

To serve, cut kid in pieces, and place on plates. Garnish with guacamole, onion, tomato, cilatro, and chiles.
Serve withj Frijoles de Olla sprinkled with cheese, totopos, and Pico de Gallo sauce. The kid may be shredded and used in fried tacos.

Makes 8 servings.
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02-24-2010 , 10:40 AM
If you think that online poker rooms are a scam beyond belief, why would you play at all? Why not just stick to live poker, where you say your winrate is much better?

edit: Also, what would you say about guys that have played several hundred thousand hands, and everything falls within expectation?

Last edited by THE F DO; 02-24-2010 at 10:46 AM.
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02-24-2010 , 10:41 AM
I have a feeling op's ignore list is going fill up fast
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02-24-2010 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
  • Because the players are somewhat better, more patient, read more about it, etc.
I think that's the other way around. Internet poker has, by far, more impulsive, bad betting, borderline moronic players than I've ever played on a live table... Of course, this is my opinion only so...
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02-24-2010 , 10:44 AM
and your opinion is wrong
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02-24-2010 , 10:45 AM
OP, if you actually want to do a thorough study of the RNG, you can purchase millions of hands from hand database sites which should be sufficient. Not a sample size taken from short sessions by one player.
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02-24-2010 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by cjhmdm
As a software developer myself, I know all about RNG, and what many people don't realize that I do is there is no such thing as "random" when it comes to software.
You need to do better research IMO. FTP and Stars at least use hardware RNGs. Background radiation and such to generate the random numbers.

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02-24-2010 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by novahunterpa
indianaV8 has collected billions of hands so whatever small sample you do isn't going to be much

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...h-beta-452536/
And I will compare my findings to those... I'm not saying they should be the same, but they should be similar as far as actual %'s are concerned.
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02-24-2010 , 10:48 AM
Hi Rupert?

Juk
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02-24-2010 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Josem wins the academic decathlon, please ban this fool.
Why does he deserve a ban? B/c he isn't polite to another poster of our peers? Perhaps if you didn't personally insult him or add fuel to his fire, he wouldn't be reciprocating personal attacks.

I could see if Josem was officially posting on his PokerStars handle, in a PS support thread, to request a reprimand.

Also, you fail to understand that the population of poker players are not on your side. The fact remains that there are many uncertainties' in the online poker world with not enough transparency. The legitimacy of operation is only offered at face value.



"Burden of proof is on the accuser." ???
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02-24-2010 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by THE F DO
If you think that online poker rooms are a scam beyond belief, why would you play at all? Why not just stick to live poker, where you say your winrate is much better?

edit: Also, what would you say about guys that have played several hundred thousand hands, and everything falls within expectation?
I don't have to drive 30 miles to play online
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02-24-2010 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by cjhmdm
I don't have to drive 30 miles to play online
Why not open a casino in your house? I believe there's a few threads full of great advice on the matter, if you care to search for them.
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02-24-2010 , 10:50 AM
Can I be a pro troll? Where do I sign up? Or is it just by using the forums?
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02-24-2010 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Why does he deserve a ban?
Perhaps you haven't encountered one of Rupert's troll accounts before? Even if his first post was the best in the history of 2+2; his previous behaviour means he deserves to be banned on sight anyway...

Juk
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02-24-2010 , 10:52 AM
racism, slander, attacks, etc etc etc

He's been banned like a dozen times before. If the mods found that necessary then, there's no point to him being around now. Even you don't troll the way this guy does. Surely you recognize the difference between somebody who I might just disagree with and somebody who takes it to an entirely different level. That guy is the only person I've ever even had to put on ignore, and I still see a large amount ridiculous garbage posted in quotes.

By the way, I've done more than my fair share of offering substance in responses to his ill conceived points.


As for the rest of your comments tk, I pretty much couldn't disagree more. But we've had that discussion by now, haven't we...
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02-24-2010 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DrMickHead
You need to do better research IMO. FTP and Stars at least use hardware RNGs. Background radiation and such to generate the random numbers.

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In the end, it is all interpreted through software, which may or may not be altered from the time the hardware spits out a number to the time it hits the table.

Furthermore, unless you, and at least 100 other people have proof beyond what you were told that they use hardware for this process, then I will not assume they do. I will let my numbers speak for themselves.. however small or insufficient those numbers are to you.
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02-24-2010 , 10:53 AM
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I will say this though, my statistics are much, much higher playing at live tables than they are at any online table I've played to date.
They are for me and a lot of people, online play is much harder then you find in most (not all) live games
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02-24-2010 , 10:53 AM
"If I only play 100 hands today, but play 1000 tomorrow, the overall stats should be roughly the same, so long as I don't dramatically change my style of play. If these numbers aren't enough for you, so be it; go find something else to do"



My favorite part lol ^^^
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02-24-2010 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mrrpb
Why not open a casino in your house? I believe there's a few threads full of great advice on the matter, if you care to search for them.
I'd have a better chance at not being robbed, not to mention scammed by the "police" in this country, if I put a sign on my door that said "Rob Me!" than I would if I ran poker games from home.
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02-24-2010 , 10:58 AM
  • Many players at live tables have a relatively short period of time that they can play. Then it is back home. They eventually develop an urgency and carelessness to "get their money's worth" of action. They will play immediately after getting off a plane, or driving for hours, after they are tired, after drinking free drinks, right up to the time they must leave. They might play poker once or twice a year, when they go to a casino.
  • Online players have much less urgency. They soon learn to take breaks, think about their own mistakes, make corrections, etc. They often play every day. Not all of them of course, but enough to make a noticeable difference.
  • OP, you are playing against other poker players, not the house. It is the players who are winning your money. They don't need to cheat to do it.
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02-24-2010 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by twilitekid
and your opinion is wrong
An opinion, no matter how much you disagree with it, can never be wrong. That is why it's an opinion and not fact.
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02-24-2010 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Why does he deserve a ban?
I think a moderator posted that once someone is banned, it is tolerated for them to come back with a new account, so long as they do not identify themselves as the previously banned person, but once they do identify themselves as such, they can be subject to instaban.
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02-24-2010 , 10:58 AM
Very true Nfuego. He still cracks me up, I can't believe he called MJ Josem Hussein. lol

What does QFT mean?
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