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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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02-23-2010 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
RIP Rupert Pumpkin

RIP LaylaLikesViolence

you will be missed
What do you think your cousin would say if he saw all your banned accounts and realized you were basically just acting like a child on in internet forum under multiple aliases?
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02-23-2010 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Spanking? No

Ummm tell my Mom? mmmmm No

Disown me? mumhmmmmmmmmm No

Who is acting like a child? Look around. Everyone acts like a child here. You post at 3rd grade level of childishness. Im 19 years old. Whats your excuse lol?
What exactly about my posts is at the 3rd grade level? For the record, I've never been banned nor received a single infraction ever.

Or are you just pulling the whole "I know you are, but what am I" schtick?
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02-23-2010 , 05:53 PM
19 year old.
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02-23-2010 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
You havent been banned or even warned because you are on the side of the debate that is in 2+2's best interest. Just like how QPW never gets banned even though he constantly talks trash to everyone. Now would you like me to quote your posts in this thread and bring them up for examination of how you act? Or would you prefer just admitting you're being a hypocrit?
The majority of my posts are actually not in this thread. I post in a multitude of different forums ranging from Sporting Events to SMP to EDF. Maybe I wasn't banned because I don't act like a child?

But quote away. This should be good.
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02-23-2010 , 06:03 PM
I must say I truly feel Poker Stars is completely rigged...

This guy with 2 stars under his name and a PokerStars avatar (so assuming he's on the payroll) calls my Q10os against his 52os.. bam 52 on the flop.

So I sit and observe the rest of the tournament...

He plays maybe 1 in every 15 hands.. every time he does he goes all in with some off the wall combo.. K9, T2, etc. Every single time he does he gets what he needs on the flop.

Every. Single. Time.

If that's not rigged I don't know what is...
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02-23-2010 , 06:12 PM
Quit feeding the trolls King.


Sn8keChaRmer
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02-23-2010 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cjhmdm
I must say I truly feel Poker Stars is completely rigged...

This guy with 2 stars under his name and a PokerStars avatar (so assuming he's on the payroll) calls my Q10os against his 52os.. bam 52 on the flop.

So I sit and observe the rest of the tournament...

He plays maybe 1 in every 15 hands.. every time he does he goes all in with some off the wall combo.. K9, T2, etc. Every single time he does he gets what he needs on the flop.

Every. Single. Time.

If that's not rigged I don't know what is...
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Shocking youd feel that way^^. Btw, I was about to dismiss your claim but obviously the stars by his name and him being a Stars employee is new evidence that is hard to dispute.
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02-23-2010 , 06:24 PM
"Once in a while qpw can produce some work that does make me genuinely laugh, so props for that post." - Monteroy

Go get a room so we do not have to endure the circle jerk.
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02-23-2010 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Snip
Huh? Those were all valid observations. You were grasping, you are making a fool of yourself, that thread did make you look like an idiot, you have a million banned accounts so you aren't a solid poster, you do crave the attention.

Although I am guilty of not taking my own advice and not responding to you. Ah well.
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02-23-2010 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
19 year old.
As old as that?

Acts more like a spoilt 13 yo.
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02-23-2010 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Xevoius
Go get a room so we do not have to endure the circle jerk.
Ah, the level of maturity exhibited by the 'tards never surprises.
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02-23-2010 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
Ah, the level of maturity exhibited by the 'tards never surprises.
I wouldn't call him a tard (except for his inability to quote people properly).

He did a decent fake innocent riggie routine while trying to shill eventually for that Real Deal place. I don't mind that even though I think their whole marketing approach (fake paranoid rigged believers spamming poker message boards appealing to rigged believers to play their insanely slow game) seems somewhat comical in the days where "rush poker" is the new innovation.

He also seems to think/talk a lot about men being with men in his posts, which is his choice as well and not really much of an issue.

Overall his performance was one of the better ones for fake riggies in my opinion.
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02-23-2010 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I wouldn't call him a tard (except for his inability to quote people properly).

He did a decent fake innocent riggie routine while trying to shill eventually for that Real Deal place. I don't mind that even though I think their whole marketing approach (fake paranoid rigged believers spamming poker message boards appealing to rigged believers to play their insanely slow game) seems somewhat comical in the days where "rush poker" is the new innovation.

He also seems to think/talk a lot about men being with men in his posts, which is his choice as well and not really much of an issue.

Overall his performance was one of the better ones for fake riggies in my opinion.
You two certainly make a cute couple.
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02-23-2010 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Xevoius
You two certainly make a cute couple.
Shouldn't you be off somewhere greasing the cogs in the dealing machines ready for RealDeal's big debut?
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02-23-2010 , 07:17 PM
I thought it was kinda funny how you guys clung onto that instead of PTR.

I was posting a lot of PTR stuff early on and you never harassed me about it.
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02-23-2010 , 07:18 PM
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I bet my life Josem hasnt done any such experiments with complete hand histories. He probably doesnt even have access to them as hes just a spokesman/front man for the subject.
Yes, I have access to complete hand histories.

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I also bet he or anyone from PokerStars never will conduct any such analysis that will be made public. Thats why we are doing it for them.
That's not true, we employed two different auditors to conduct such an analysis and published the results here:

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/rng/

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That brings me to another point. If the results come out not in the sites favor then the first thing and only thing they will have to do is scream the sample size isnt big enough. So weve been discussing what is the proper sample size needed to satisfy everyone.

So my question is to the shills. Was is a large enough sample size that you would be satisfied with if the results proved inconsistanices in the rng? How many hands will it take to keep you all from crying "too small"
No, and your comments here suggest a misunderstanding of probability and sample sizes.

When you conduct your analysis, you're going to come up with a result and a confidence margin. When you study the frequency of something, there is a margin of error. This is functionally similar to the margin of error that you'll see on opinion polls.

The various mathematical formulae that are used in such analysis themselves automatically adjust for sample size.

There is no fixed number that makes a sample size "correct". It depends what you are testing.

For example, if you are testing for the frequency of pocket aces, and are then dealt pocket aces on 25 consecutive occasions, then you could have a sample size of 25 hands which pretty strongly suggests that something is wrong. You can consult with your "MIT friends" and they will confirm this with you. Similarly, Wikipedia has some reasonable introductions to this stuff.
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02-23-2010 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SwedishMedusa
Josem can you confirm whether you could access large samples of HHs with all cards showing?
Yes.
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02-23-2010 , 07:23 PM
otoh.. watch out hes a superuser.
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02-23-2010 , 07:29 PM
Snake
In all fairness, and I'm not pickin on you, but if it came out that, *no names* was creating numerous accounts after banishment, I would be making a bigger fuss.
Why would you create so many accounts and post like you have different intimate, non-coincidental incidents with online poker? That manipulates the arguements and view points of the entire online poker community.

The same arguement goes for both sides. I wouldn't appreciate 5 or 6 users creating 100's of accounts and manipulating the polls. Decrediting posters with several different accounts, as if they are speaking for the 2+2 community.
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02-23-2010 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
You "employed" two different auditors and you supplied a link to a page that says that they found that the rng complies lol
Is there something wrong with those two companies?
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02-23-2010 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Snake
In all fairness, and I'm not pickin on you, but if it came out that, *no names* was creating numerous accounts after banishment, I would be making a bigger fuss.
Why would you create so many accounts and post like you have different intimate, non-coincidental incidents with online poker? That manipulates the arguements and view points of the entire online poker community.

The same arguement goes for both sides. I wouldn't appreciate 5 or 6 users creating 100's of accounts and manipulating the polls. Decrediting posters with several different accounts, as if they are speaking for the 2+2 community.
I make one account..Juk of York bans it..I make another account..BoBo Fett bans it..The I make another account and so on..never do I have more than one account active at one time and they have had the auto ban on me no matter what I say..They would eveb delete all my posts that included free mods I provided in the software threads..I have some great mods for Pstars you can check out in the Stars mod thread btw..I always make it clear who I am..Never have I not outed my account before a moderator has and thats a fact. They simply dont allow me to post here and I dont recgonize their authortiy so I make a new account everytime they ban and continue voicing my opinions..

If you think I should just simply never post again after some hypocrit like Juk of York tells me I shouldnt then you obviously dont live in America where we believe in free speech.

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02-23-2010 , 11:24 PM
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Other than the fact that you payed them to do an audit of you lol.
Well of course they paid for it. You always have to pay for audits. PWC aren't a $26Bn company by doing audits for free ...



HowTo:Cook the books
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Welcome to another of Delia's cooking courses.

Today we'll learn how to Cook the books! This is a personal favourite of mine, involving lots of Penguins, spices (charisma and manipulation), delicate timing and most of all, it can also cater for a large amount of people!
Contents

* 1 The Recipe
o 1.1 First Things First
o 1.2 Second Things Second
o 1.3 Third Things Third

First Things first, for this recipe, you'll need:

* 250g of an accountancy degree
* One position with access to large amounts of money
* Several (six or 1337 is a good number) creditable positions (so if you're discovered then you can lie successfuly)
* 500ml of good Spin Doctor™ juice
* 8 good ways of pleasing your boss (usually involves cooking them a souflée-not easy, so see below)
* A fake CV

And finally,

* An emergency arson kit-just in case things get a little dicey

Second Things Second

* Take your accountancy degree and whisk gently for 5-6 mins.
* Leave to settle while you mash up the CV. Then mix in a bowl and add dollops into a pre-heated baking tray.
* Pre-heat oven to Fahrenheit 451 degrees.
* Place Tray in oven and bake for 20 minutes.
* Meanwhile, as your fraud surprise is baking, you will need to prepare the 'Spin Sauce®'. Mix 1 part Spin Doctor™ Juice to 4 parts water.

Tip

You may wish to change the strength of the 'Spin Sauce®' to your liking, depending on how much risk you like in preparing this.

* Leave the Sauce to settle and then remove the Fraud Surprise from the Oven. This may be extremely, hot, especially in the the fire of insider-trading ovens.
* Let the Fraud cool, and then dribble the sauce over the top of the surprise.

Third Things Third

Now, as the basis for your fraud dish is now in waiting to be served, the last thing you need to do is essential - else you'll get your just desserts! (Oh dear!):

* Take the 8 good ways to please your boss and place them on a small sleaze-proof baking tray, so that none of it leaks out.
* Then shape them into small packages and place under grill.
* When golden-brown, then remove them, and place the piping hot packages around your office. Your boss should be tempted to open them, and soon you will be mega rich!
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02-23-2010 , 11:56 PM
^^ I love it
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02-24-2010 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by obviously.bogus
Well of course they paid for it. You always have to pay for audits. PWC aren't a $26Bn company by doing audits for free ...
They're obviously shills.
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02-24-2010 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Very reliable and trustworthy *something* to this site, told me at a WPT event about the **** that goes on in this thread. We have 2 people using about 7 user names? You are not die hard poker players that are offended about people undermining your success.
Is this like when your "uncle" the "congressman" passed along "information" that there would be huge news within a week about online poker being made illegal?

What was that, 6 months ago?
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I will no longer be posting in this thread or on this site. That is not good for business or online poker. Feel free to delete my user name.
Bye. Oh wait...

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My IP address as well as my geographical location, ect, ect. No need to act like some whistleblower. On my way to the ban me thread...
Well, no biggie, just one last little thing a half hour after no longer posting on 2+2.

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Originally Posted by tk1133
Snake
In all fairness, and I'm not pickin on you, but if it came out that, *no names* was creating numerous accounts after banishment, I would be making a bigger fuss.
Why would you create so many accounts and post like you have different intimate, non-coincidental incidents with online poker? That manipulates the arguements and view points of the entire online poker community.

The same arguement goes for both sides. I wouldn't appreciate 5 or 6 users creating 100's of accounts and manipulating the polls. Decrediting posters with several different accounts, as if they are speaking for the 2+2 community.
Oh, it's just your usual "say something then pretend it never happened" routine, cool.

For the record, this is, and always has been, my only 2+2 account. I voted in the (very scientific) poll in this thread one time.
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