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02-21-2010 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
I've posted about this a lot. My theory is that a bad beat in a tournament can have a much more dramatic impact on a player than in a cash game. In a cash game you get stacked, you reload - often automatically. In a tournament - you're out. All that hard work possibly for nothing. I can't recall any regular riggie talking about cash games.
Ahh, good theory, I agree. It seems the 2+2 FBI profiling squad has now put a partial face on the mysterious creature the local media refers to as "The Rigtard".
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02-21-2010 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordias
This is a good real world example of the immutable properties of mathematical probabilities: the odds pendulum MUST eventually swing back in your favor if it is dipping the “wrong way” for an extended period of time.

Yeah, that immutable law of the pendulum of random variables. Before you post a 1000 word essay, you should look into your main premise a little more first. If you run under expectation for a while and you are say, $1000 under your EV, the future expectation is that you will be exactly $1000 under EV forever.
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02-21-2010 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Yeah, that immutable law of the pendulum of random variables. Before you post a 1000 word essay, you should look into your main premise a little more first. If you run under expectation for a while and you are say, $1000 under your EV, the future expectation is that you will be exactly $1000 under EV forever.
It's amazing how many people don't understand this concept.
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02-21-2010 , 11:48 PM
But why would casinos put up those boards at the roulette tables if 10 reds in a row doesn't mean black is due?!!?
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02-22-2010 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
But why would casinos put up those boards at the roulette tables if 10 reds in a row doesn't mean black is due?!!?
yeah, roulette is so rigged, someone should tell someone or something.
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02-22-2010 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
But why would casinos put up those boards at the roulette tables if 10 reds in a row doesn't mean black is due?!!?

People like to know what numbers have hit and whether they were black or red. It gives players a false sense of [something]. Let's just say the tables get played more when they have the displays vs not.

** The most I've ever seen black or red hit in a row was 16. It was red. Everyone was betting black
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02-22-2010 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
People like to know what numbers have hit and whether they were black or red. It gives players a false sense of [something]. Let's just say the tables get played more when they have the displays vs not.

** The most I've ever seen black or red hit in a row was 16. It was red. Everyone was betting black
The NFC has won the last 13 coin flips at the Superbowl. I think that is pretty awesome.
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02-22-2010 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
The NFC has won the last 13 coin flips at the Superbowl. I think that is pretty awesome.
That just shows the NFC's mad skillz and/or AFC's suckyness at coin flips. The actual flip has been a mix of heads and tails.
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02-22-2010 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
But why would casinos put up those boards at the roulette tables if 10 reds in a row doesn't mean black is due?!!?
Dont be fooled, That is one of the biggest sucker bet creater in the casino. They like the fact you bet on the board. A red on one spin dosent have any effect on the next spin. Same chance of being red again as it is black.
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02-22-2010 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Rec
Dont be fooled, That is one of the biggest sucker bet creater in the casino. They like the fact you bet on the board. A red on one spin dosent have any effect on the next spin. Same chance of being red again as it is black.
Surely you jest, my good man.
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02-22-2010 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Surely you jest, my good man.
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02-22-2010 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by obviously.bogus
That just shows the NFC's mad skillz and/or AFC's suckyness at coin flips. The actual flip has been a mix of heads and tails.
True, but 13 correctly called flips and 13 straight heads or tails still has the same odds.
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02-22-2010 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
True, but 13 correctly called flips and 13 straight heads or tails still has the same odds.
Are those odds more or less than the odds that the team with the highest score wins the Superbowl ???

It has to be the NFC's mad coin flip skillz that makes the difference.

Spoiler:
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02-22-2010 , 07:18 AM
http://ezinearticles.com/?How-is-Pok...ats&id=3388503

im gonna deposit 100 bucks next week can anyone tell me or link me to whether or not ps is rigged or whatnot.......i know its probably been asked a million times but i wanna know

also what is this?!

http://www.thepokerstarscode.com/
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02-22-2010 , 07:21 AM
Here we go.......
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02-22-2010 , 07:25 AM
hey calm down man im just asking a question........,
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02-22-2010 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by GambIer
also what is this?!

http://www.thepokerstarscode.com/
If you buy it you might just learn something. The more you pay the more chance you will understand.
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02-22-2010 , 07:30 AM
ha ill never buy that but its also not available on torrent =(
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02-22-2010 , 07:38 AM
I dont know what the link is but id be doing virus scans like crazy if I visited that site OP.
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02-22-2010 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
I've posted about this a lot. My theory is that a bad beat in a tournament can have a much more dramatic impact on a player than in a cash game. In a cash game you get stacked, you reload - often automatically. In a tournament - you're out. All that hard work possibly for nothing. I can't recall any regular riggie talking about cash games.
Also in tourneys you end up all-in (because of the stack sizes obv) a lot more often than in a cash game, and thus the underdog gets to see both the turn and the river to catch his outs more often (or win at the showdown with a hand they would have folded on an earlier street had the money been deeper).

Same is of course also true for everyone else at the table. So even a casual player who plays only a handful of SnGs per session will inevitably see a boatload of bad beats compared to when they play their cash game at the live casino.
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02-22-2010 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GambIer
http://ezinearticles.com/?How-is-Pok...ats&id=3388503

im gonna deposit 100 bucks next week can anyone tell me or link me to whether or not ps is rigged or whatnot.......i know its probably been asked a million times but i wanna know

also what is this?!

http://www.thepokerstarscode.com/
http://www.pokerstarscracked.com/ is the nuts imo.
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02-22-2010 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
But why would casinos put up those boards at the roulette tables if 10 reds in a row doesn't mean black is due?!!?
I read somewhere how roulette revenues shot up once they put out those displays of past results. and it makes perfect sense as it helps appeal to essentially the riggie mentality that is found in many gamblers who believe they recognize patterns when such patterns have zero meaning (in a statistical sense).

The really funny thing about the roulette style riggies is that they then use the complete opposite approach once they identify a pattern like the following:

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Originally Posted by LVGambler
People like to know what numbers have hit and whether they were black or red. It gives players a false sense of [something]. Let's just say the tables get played more when they have the displays vs not.

** The most I've ever seen black or red hit in a row was 16. It was red. Everyone was betting black
I have seen this effect as well and what a strange approach if one at all thinks it is rigged because of the pattern. I mean if it is shouldn't one just keep betting on red in this case because:

- Who knows maybe it is stuck to land in an area with more red numbers

- Everyone else is betting on black so if the house wanted to make a ton they would have it land on red

Now, I am hardly advocating betting heavily on red in this case, however from a logical point of view this seems a better approach toward battling a rigged system if it is indeed rigged in this case.

The funny thing is in craps the opposite effect (and I suppose more logical approach) is at work. If someone rolls an 11 twice in a row a ton of money will then be bet on 11 again for instance.

I am not quite sure how poker riggies fit in to all of this as it seems many will bet on red, many on black, many on both black and red, many on green, and many will just stand there and yell that they cannot trust the game if it is not being run by Americans.
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02-22-2010 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I have seen this effect as well and what a strange approach if one at all thinks it is rigged because of the pattern.
But they don't think it's 'rigged', they simply believe that since it has landed on red X times in a row that there is a greater chance that it will be black the next time, because it is "due". I.e. gambler's fallacy.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I am not quite sure how poker riggies fit in to all of this as it seems many will bet on red, many on black, many on both black and red, many on green, and many will just stand there and yell that they cannot trust the game if it is not being run by Americans.
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02-22-2010 , 01:02 PM
Definitely tl;dr
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