Which is still wrong.

Try, "believe that since there is no evidence of rigging and a lot of people are looking for such evidence online poker is [b]probably[b] not rigged".

But sir I have stated over 5 times that I could be wrong. And everything I say starts with "I think" not "It is". You are missing that constantly. These are my opinions and beliefs. People believe in lots of things they dont always have proof for. You have to learn to think objectively so when you read opions from the other side you arent missing the context or content of what they are saying.

In the hypothetical situation you posit - I'll deal with the 'life or death' version - no reputable company would try and enter the market.

A few lowlifes would set up sites and the more mathematically astute players would quickly realise what was going on and the site's reputations would be lost.

So online poker would be a much reduced affair with a bunch of small, scumbag, operators coming and going with some rapidity.

You would also probably find that in those circumstances a lot more governments would have enacted legislation to ban online poker completely.

Why can't you understand that everyone gets a bunch of bad beats every day. All anyone has to do is edit the bad beats together into a video and make it look as if the site is obviously rigged against them.

It's not difficult.

By the tone of your posts you come off as if you know its rigged. But even if you just think its rigged you should show proof. If i dont think its rigged i dont need to show proof because im not making criminal accusations.

Respect is good when its a two way street. I dont consider saying you think someone is a criminal without proof respectful. But everyone's got their own version of respect.

Classic!

The 'tards will just start whining for some other deus ex machina to save them.

e.g. "When are the government going to actually start to audit these sites on a regular basis."

He should compare himself with great hysterical figures.

Would be more apposite.

Like I said, I don't know much about most of the banning decisions WRT to your accounts. But mods don't run around IP checking every new account that shows up - we have better things to do. So the fact that you're getting pegged so often means it's likely you're exhibiting at least some of the same behaviour now and then. And of course you don't help by outting yourself, and being so confrontational with mods. Not that you need to bow down and kiss anyone's feet; you just might want to avoid pulling their tails quite so much if you want to stop getting banned.

Of course not. I can't prove a negative. Proving the positive should be much easier.

Typically, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Aside from the principle of "innocent until proven guilty", there is the fact that it can be nearly impossible to prove a negative. If my neighbour is killed one evening and I am home by myself at the time, how can I prove I didn't do it? Much like it's impossible for me to prove a site isn't rigged.

Look at the fantastic work spadebidder has done (and I sincerely hope you have looked). Yet people can come up with all sorts of scenarios he hasn't disproved yet. And even if he disproved all those, someone could come up with something specific to themselves. For example, I could suggest Stars has "thrown the doomswitch" on me. How will anyone disprove this?

Now look at it from the other way. If there's anything you've observed that isn't right, the stats will bear it out. If, for example, you think that you're losing too many all-ins when you're ahead, your hand histories will show it. Do you think you would notice if you had won or lost 5% too many all-ins over a very large sample? I'm pretty sure I wouldn't. Yet my hand histories would show it every time. So if it's something happening so frequently that you can actually observe it, of course it will show up in the stats.

Snake,

Make a video. I want to see your game.

Im still awaiting these hand histories from Larry at Poker Stars..Seems alittle odd that its taking so with me. I think its been 5 days now. Maybe they did some ananylsis and dont want to release them lol. Maybe they are planning to leave out a bunch of them. I dunno. Looks fishy after Josem said they usually get them out 24-48 hours.

And Mods dont have to IP check me Ive outed every account Ive made. I usually wait till a 100 posts or so so I can atleast get some debate in before they ban it but Im not tryin to hide it and am proud of the stances Ive taken and the way Ive conducted myself.

And is it possible to get handle on Mitch who has now posted the same post 7 times. Really its like 7 times.

To Mitch lol. As I stated before Im willing to make videos if Stars is willing to have a pro do the critisizing. If they can show in some of these games at the lower limits how I could be doing things differently and it not being the fact that its due to massive amounts of draw outs then I will post the video with theire commentary on 2+2 and admit that its my fault.

I dont see any of their pros finding this evidence nor do I see them taking me up on this offer. I do not wish to offer up free videos of my game to people like you who probably dont even understand much about the game and just will be looking to tear me down in anyway you can.

Making accusations against people who conduct themselves behind closed doors is completely justified. If they feel this is disrespectful then they should open up their doors for examination of their inner workings.

I think looking out for the feelings of a multi million/billion? dollar company is bad practice. Aslong as they are making that kind of money then scrutiny comes with the territory. Its the only way to keep comapines honest. If we dont challenge companies in these positions then they are free to do whatever they want.

You say you want debate, yet continue to ignore any substantive replies to your posts. Again: so what conclusion should we draw from that? You seem geared up for a platitudes fight, not substantive debate, IMO. Not sure what more you want here.

I am aware that I may have overlooked some of your content. I hope you understand how hard it is when so many others are berrating me in a disrespectful manner. After Im done playing Im gonna reread your posts because I do value peoples opinions and appreciate you taking the time to voice your opionions in detail to me.

I hope that is good enough.

I notice there has been a marked improvement in your spelling and grammar.

Was that just an attempt at camouflage?

I'm just ****ted off that I fell for the "i want to have a substantive discussion about this particular point (the video)" trick, I spent the time to look at every single hand, comprehensively analysed every single hand, even did the pot equity calcs, and none of the riggies even comment on it that I saw.

People might respect you a little more if you didn't continually ignore substantive replies.

Of course, that's standard 'tard practice - necessary to avoid painting themselves into a corner.

Similarly I get pissed off when I take the trouble to explain something politely and then the person or persons who requested the explanation just ignore the post.

It's why, despite the objections of some, I have no problem telling people such as the latest idiot boy that they are idiots.

It just saves a lot of pointless work.

What did you show us. Thats beats are coming from different dates. Hes playing tournaments. I go 2 hours or more at times without every getting all in. If you really want to show us something than research everyhand from every video he shown. Show a graph of the time lines of the hands and then we research it with OPR to see what the ratio of beats is to games played over that time period.

If your gonna do something then do it right. Dont take a small sample from one of many videos and act like youve discovered something. I think thats taking apage out of your own advice..

You better be thorough with everything you do being that you are a PokerStars employee in which your opinion comes with an obvious bias.

Let me thank you on their behalf. I found it an interesting post. He made it sound like all these beats were in one day, when they're clearly spread out among several. And it's not like he only plays one game at a time, as you can see him multi-tabling while making the video!

lol...there is some serious..serious..site employee bs going in here lol.

You guys make it soooo obvious.

That reminds me. Hey Josem, I didn't get my check this week, did you? If I don't get paid soon, I'm blowing the lid on this thing.

There's certainly some 'I'll just make random allegations with no evidence' posting going on here by our latest member of the idiot tendency.


Josem and SeanFTP, I don't seem to have had my cheque either, could you see what the holdup is?

Sigh.

You go from reasonable posts to this crap again.

It really is amusing to imagine that Sn8keChaRmer is a gimmick account set up by one of the poker sites to discredit rigtards.