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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

02-14-2010 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
It was not likely a coin flip. (snip)
Cool, thx.

Don't know how you tourney guys do it, playing so long for often so little. But this is a good opportunity to comment again that pretty much every rigtard I've seen has been a tourney player. The sting of a lost hand can be just so much more than for a cash game player. A tourney player is out. A cashgame player barely notices it while his stack autoloads back up.

For you tourney rigtards who can't handle those stings of being knocked out on a bad beat, maybe you're better suited for cash games. Might want to give them a shot.
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02-14-2010 , 12:15 PM
I bet snakebrains loves it that people now think it's my gimmick, has to infuriate him.

I could never be that good an actor, my one lame attempt was mildly fun.

Incidentally, I believe there is a tiny teapot orbiting in space and anyone who says otherwise is just a shill and ******ed too because they can't prove it isn't.

Last edited by spadebidder; 02-14-2010 at 12:21 PM.
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02-14-2010 , 12:36 PM
Don't you think it's shady and misleading to create a gimmick account? Of all my posts I never sunk to that level. How many times did you vote SpadeBidder? I mean seriously...WTF?
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02-14-2010 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bigjames881
Good lord... He even argues on what's a winning player when the FACT is the dude IS a winning player!

I feel sorry for your girlfriend/wife if you even have one that is.

People who have a gut feeling pokerstars is rigged, check out this guys videos. There's over 50 of them

www.youtube.com/pokerman1978
Who knows this videos and than talks about rigtards is ****** himself.
ONLINE POKER IS RIGGGGGGED!!!!!
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02-14-2010 , 01:46 PM
"People who have a gut feeling pokerstars is rigged, check out this guys videos. There's over 50 of them"


People who have a gut feeling pokerstars is rigged, should grow a brain...

That video made me laugh. Lost a 60/40! FIXXXX!!!
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02-14-2010 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Don't you think it's shady and misleading to create a gimmick account? Of all my posts I never sunk to that level. How many times did you vote SpadeBidder? I mean seriously...WTF?
Tk, do you really think that Spadebidder created a gimmick account in order to skew the poll results? Really, get a sense of humour...
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02-14-2010 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PavelC
Who knows this videos and than talks about rigtards is ****** himself.
ONLINE POKER IS RIGGGGGGED!!!!!
I'm having trouble drawing that conclusion from these videos, can you elaborate specifically why you believe they are reliable evidence of rigging?
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02-14-2010 , 02:16 PM
All these posts about your theories on gimmick accounts are ghey. Ur ghey boys! Im not anyones gimmick account. Im me telling you ur ghey. And you flametards have barely even disputed any of my theories. Youve only danced around finding things like my grammar to talk about. None of you are giving any type of solid eveidence to prove my theory wrong. Not once has anyone actually went after any of my main points or addressed why my theory cant be true. Ur all just what ur accusing me of.

Flametards with no evidence to support your stance. Only difference between us is that ur ghey about it. You guys post like little girls on the playground.
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02-14-2010 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
All these posts about your theories on gimmick accounts are ghey. Ur ghey boys! Im not anyones gimmick account. Im me telling you ur ghey. And you flametards have barely even disputed any of my theories. Youve only danced around finding things like my grammar to talk about. None of you are giving any type of solid eveidence to prove my theory wrong. Not once has anyone actually went after any of my main points or addressed why my theory cant be true. Ur all just what ur accusing me of.

Flametards with no evidence to support your stance. Only difference between us is that ur ghey about it. You guys post like little girls on the playground.
Well, that's certainly put us in our place.

I suggest we all hang our heads in shame after being taken to task by such an intelligent and articulate poster who is so obviously far more knowledgeable about these matters than are we.
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02-14-2010 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
All these posts about your theories on gimmick accounts are ghey. Ur ghey boys! Im not anyones gimmick account. Im me telling you ur ghey. And you flametards have barely even disputed any of my theories. Youve only danced around finding things like my grammar to talk about. None of you are giving any type of solid eveidence to prove my theory wrong. Not once has anyone actually went after any of my main points or addressed why my theory cant be true. Ur all just what ur accusing me of.

Flametards with no evidence to support your stance. Only difference between us is that ur ghey about it. You guys post like little girls on the playground.
Are you a teenager perhaps?

I'm not sure what argument you think hasn't been addressed. That there is a magic, undetectable way to rig the RNG? How exactly can anyone refute that? You have been told to read through the substantive portions of this thread, you have specifically refused to do so. You have been directed to Spadebidder's site which shows that the deal is fair on Pokerstars up to the turn at least, you have apparently not looked at it. You have said you would talk to your MIT buddy and insinuated that you would come back with some evidence, I'm presuming this hasn't happened yet. You've referred to some videos showing some cherrypicked hands and been asked how exactly you believe its evidence of rigging, and ignored that.

The strongest argument you laid was whether Josem, one of the lead players involved in uncovering the UB/AP scandal, was unethical; and that argument failed miserably.

Now you've resorted to pure ad hominem attacks which is the last bastion of the ignorant, I said it above, if you want to be taken seriously then act in a serious manner. In short, grow the **** up.
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02-14-2010 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Are you a teenager perhaps?

I'm not sure what argument you think hasn't been addressed. That there is a magic, undetectable way to rig the RNG? How exactly can anyone refute that? You have been told to read through the substantive portions of this thread, you have specifically refused to do so. You have been directed to Spadebidder's site which shows that the deal is fair on Pokerstars up to the turn at least, you have apparently not looked at it. You have said you would talk to your MIT buddy and insinuated that you would come back with some evidence, I'm presuming this hasn't happened yet. You've referred to some videos showing some cherrypicked hands and been asked how exactly you believe its evidence of rigging, and ignored that.

The strongest argument you laid was whether Josem, one of the lead players involved in uncovering the UB/AP scandal, was unethical; and that argument failed miserably.

Now you've resorted to pure ad hominem attacks which is the last bastion of the ignorant, I said it above, if you want to be taken seriously then act in a serious manner. In short, grow the **** up.
refused?? I refused to read this 900 page thread to find points that you guys fail to be able to bring back up. You just claim that they are somewhere in this 900 page thread lol and being impossible for not sorting through it to find your magical points lol

come on man

Resorted to attacks????
All you guys do is use attacks. 90% of the content of all your posts is playground attacks. Its amazing how hypocritical you guys are. You're in here all day defending this topic with petty antics. 80% of you work for sites and the other 20% just want to argue and talk chit
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02-14-2010 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
refused?? I refused to read this 900 page thread to find points that you guys fail to be able to bring back up. You just claim that they are somewhere in this 900 page thread lol and being impossible for not sorting through it to find your magical points lol

come on man

Resorted to attacks????
All you guys do is use attacks. 90% of the content of all your posts is playground attacks. Its amazing how hypocritical you guys are. You're in here all day defending this topic with petty antics. 80% of you work for sites and the other 20% just want to argue and talk chit
You're funny.
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02-14-2010 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
refused?? I refused to read this 900 page thread to find points that you guys fail to be able to bring back up. You just claim that they are somewhere in this 900 page thread lol and being impossible for not sorting through it to find your magical points lol

come on man

Resorted to attacks????
All you guys do is use attacks. 90% of the content of all your posts is playground attacks. Its amazing how hypocritical you guys are. You're in here all day defending this topic with petty antics. 80% of you work for sites and the other 20% just want to argue and talk chit
You have a real knack for missing the important message behind any replies. First, you won't get any argument from me that too many launch too many insults: I've said this often. It's counter-productive. So why follow suit?

I suggested you read the thread (or even the last quarter of the thread) because I thought you could learn something. Are you really interested in finding out if something is wrong? then spend some time with it.

I also addressed each of what I thought were the arguments you had brought up. If I missed some, let me know. What arguments do you feel have not been responded to?
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02-14-2010 , 03:22 PM
i don't understand why is all non riggist so against home version of software check if all things are in place.
i personally would prefer software rather then somebody i don't know
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02-14-2010 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Scumbag lol? really?

Was the guy a scumbag who got on here and complained because a player on UB was playing like he knew what his opponent had. Im sure people responded and told him he was just a donk ans sucked at poker. How did that end?
With proof.

Where's yours?
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02-14-2010 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by signuptoday
i don't understand why is all non riggist so against home version of software check if all things are in place.
i personally would prefer software rather then somebody i don't know
who not home version want software?

yourself it do best then proof come if any.
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02-14-2010 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Once again MORON. Im not asking for help on my game. Im asking them to prove why its my game and not the RNG. I have a deuces cracked membership if I want instruction. Im still waiting for you to say anything that makes any kind of sense or adresses anything that Ive said in the context in which Ive stated it. MORON
I would like someone to do a study on his play since he is saying that his play is good and a pokerstars rep allegedly says that it isnt and that all of the beats are due to his incorrect play.

What is so hard about that? Dedicate someone who can demonstrate where he is going so wrong. Show it here. This is an opportunity for Stars to put someone in his place and show more people that their claims are unfounded.

Here is an opportunity to put some real work into this.
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02-14-2010 , 04:49 PM
Dont want to step in on this debate, so I'll just poke my nose in. The whole rigged debate will go on forever, no matter what. Believe it or not there is some people that believe the earth is like 10,000yrs old, ignoring the evidence that this is not the case. It is human nature to believe what you want to believe and hear want you want to hear. Fact is people cant execpt the consequense for believing otherwise. I believe the Poker is rigged argument starts with people who can not improve on their game and stay losing players, or have piss poor BR management and never see the actual swings involved here. No one has ever, to my knowladge, showed satistical data to support any claim that RNG are riggged. I have many friends and contacts on the technical side, and they cant phathom a method in which you can rigg it and it benefits anyone. If anyone can I'd love to hear it, cause the fact is, Pokerrooms need people playing, not a few winning everything. Hince, if they did rig it would be soooo many split pots, just to get rake. I have never seen this happen more than usual. So someone tell me WHY?
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02-14-2010 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
You're funny.
You might not agree with him but answering with a "you re funny" is probably the most embarrassing answer you could make and you are actually making yourself look like a fool.

When I don't agree with somebody I try to respond him so he can realize why he is wrong but always respecting his view. While u making fun of other's arguments and stuff and u don't respect other people's opinion is such a shameful attitude.
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02-14-2010 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ReefinUp
You might not agree with him but answering with a "you re funny" is probably the most embarrassing answer you could make and you are actually making yourself look like a fool.

When I don't agree with somebody I try to respond him so he can realize why he is wrong but always respecting his view. While u making fun of other's arguments and stuff and u don't respect other people's opinion is such a shameful attitude.
He already did that a few dozen times. There's nothing left. Open your eyes.
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02-14-2010 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ReefinUp
You might not agree with him but answering with a "you re funny" is probably the most embarrassing answer you could make and you are actually making yourself look like a fool.

When I don't agree with somebody I try to respond him so he can realize why he is wrong but always respecting his view. While u making fun of other's arguments and stuff and u don't respect other people's opinion is such a shameful attitude.
The post he quoted accused 80% of the posters here of working for the sites without any proof. That's shameful.
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02-14-2010 , 05:56 PM
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*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Monteroy [Ac Js]
There is your problem right there, you only play AA.
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02-14-2010 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
The post he quoted accused 80% of the posters here of working for the sites without any proof. That's shameful.
ok let him know
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02-14-2010 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
who not home version want software?

yourself it do best then proof come if any.
While I have been giving qpw a bit of a hard time lately, I have to say this was quite funny.


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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
There is your problem right there, you only play AA.
Sorry you are still losing in $1 tournaments. Prove me wrong.

Last edited by Monteroy; 02-14-2010 at 07:03 PM.
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02-14-2010 , 07:17 PM
Why do we continue to feed this troll Sn8keChaRmer. There has to be something wrong with him. Either that, or he is socially awkward and gets off on getting these kind of reactions out of people.

I've wasted about 4 hours of my life over the past week in this thread reading and reacting to Sn8keChaRmers blatant lies and unfounded allegations against poker sites. I've had enough. At least previous rigtards were reasonable and weren't immersed eye level deep in their own bulls*** as Sn8keChaRmer is.

Oh and Sn8keChaRmer, one of the reasons people attack you so relentlessly on this topic, is not only for your unfounded, paranoid beliefs but also the way you convey them so emotively. Perhaps if you gather evidence, calm the f*** down and start presenting it in a calm and concise manner, then people in this thread would be more responsive to you and treat you with a bit more respect.
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