Your hypothesis is the opposite of what actually happens. This effect has been known for a long time, I didn't discover it, I just quantified it.

Board Card Distribution in 9-player (min 7 active) NLHE, BB $0.25 to $4.00
172 million hands, 96 million flops (56%), 60 million turns seen, 45 million rivers seen.



You can learn why this happens at:
http://www.spadebidder.com/flop-analysis/part2/

Yeah I've seen this graph somewhere else.

but how much time it passed since this analysis was finally completed?

Take any large hand sample and do it yourself, and you will get the same results. It's been done many times by many people, for various poker sites. You don't need nearly as many hands as I used. Fifty thousand boards should give you a nice curve that is basically the same.

Hey did you guys ever ask your self why this thread is the largest?
[x] online poker is rigged

Spadebidder (www.spadebidder.com) has done a study showing the exact opposite. Can you share your handhistories that show that As are falling more than expected? Do you know how often As should be falling? Do you know actually how often they are?

Just curious.

Pokersatrs shouldn't pay for them, I'm afraid it could affect their independancy.

Did u make that same study but with opponent's whole cards exposed?? It would be very interesting, cus my real deal is not how many times the ace fall on the board, but how many times the aces are dealt either on a player's hand or on the board. I wanna see if every card is equally distributed over a large sampe of hands. If they show me each card has the same percentage then that would put an end to this discussion.

I guess you can contact Cigital directly them if you want to fund their next study.

Their contact details are online at http://www.cigital.com/about/contact.php

You can probably just write them a cheque. I don't know how much they charge, but it shouldn't be much more than $50,000.

cool, I'm calling them right away...

lol

Such a rediculously arrogant thing to say. You know how easy it would be for a group of poker players to raise this. This is what Im talking about. I can see you trying to hold back your attitude. And thats why you guys have little gimmick accounts on here so you can say things how you want to without worrying about being professional. What a joke this thread is and what a joke poker site integrity is.

You didnt pay thay $50,000. We did. And we werent asked on who we would like to do the analyzing either. You did. And then you expect us to think everything is perfectly legit. Its a joke. I cant wait for the US to come around so we can get this whole thing regulated by a real gaming commision.

independancy lol

He complained that PokerStars employed independent external auditors to review the site, and highlighted that they were paid by PokerStars. If you want auditors who are not paid by the subject of the audit, then you're going to need to foot the bill yourself.

This is bizarre: it is either one or the other. It makes no sense to complain that the auditors are paid by the poker site, and then react with outrage when someone suggests the only viable alternative: a player pays for the audit.

FWIW, I think it's entirely proper for auditors to be paid by the subject of their audit: that's how it works in the real world.

No, it is not. It is pretty normal for companies to select their own auditors in every field in the real world. When I served as a director of various businesses in the past, we normally selected our own auditors*.

I don't understand why this is the least bit controversial.

*the other times was when I was the director of various businesses indirectly owned by the State Government, when we had the Auditor-General conduct the audits

So what you are saying is that it is a gimmick account conspiracy to help cover up the massive conspiracy that all of the separate poker rooms are in on together along with the people who work at twoplustwo and the hired shills (and their gimmick accounts). Thus, a conspiracy consisting of a conspiracy of a conspiracy. That's seriously a ton of people out to screw you for your 5 bucks.

Even though you are a gimmick account created to troll, I do like that bit of creative paranoia, whether fake or genuine. Not quite as clean and simple as superbots, but it's not too bad.



Indeed the US government will save you from the conspiracy of conspiracy conspiracies. After all, the US government has NEVER been believed to be part of a conspiracy ever, right? What makes you certain they are not in on it as well...




Why is it bizarre. He is a fake gimmick trolling or he is really angry, paranoid and slow. Or all of the above.

So your saying for the record.

You will let us hire our own independent auditing service to come analyze your software? Can we have this done randomly without notice? Can they have access to your servers at random? You know the poker community will do it if you let us. But you wont will you lol?

It would be fair if they were just paid by the Government, if some day they regulate it.

I think the business model doesnt work with a natural rng. I believe the customer database would be deminished. I beleive weaker players wouldnt have a chance due to the extreme amount of hands dealt. Where in a casino they might last a month or two. Online they will see 10x as many hands thus exploiting them 10x faster. I believe this was figured out in the early years and sites adjusted by tweaking the rng to not doomswitch players but tweak the odds so that losing hands had more of a chance. A simple way to give weaker players a better chance all around. This is why alot of the good players are complaining. Because we cant just play good poker and win. We trap players everyday all day only to get drawn out on over and over. Its like being forced to lose. Theres nothing we can do in the hands to change it.

And the good players dont quit because we cant help but want to play against all these horrible players but its just teasin us because the rng is hadicapping the action. SO we squeeze out little profits playing optimal poker while weak players either lose alittle and break even through vip rewards or rakeback. Its all a system to keep as many players at the tables as possible thus increasing the rake dramaticly. And we are talking huge amounts of money. The amounts where people have the money to have everything at there disposal to cover it up. The money to pay off independent analysts to provide the results that they want. The money to influence 2+2 to handle matters how they want. The money that gets them on NBC using a priest to premote legitimacy. Or using a guy and his story of 9/11. Its all a big joke

Lol

And you know who runs this entire house of cards?

Lizard People.

You want to really "wake up" it is time for you to see the real truth

http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/

Hope you are ready my fake gimmick friend for the Lizard People are indeed real, and try as you might to be over the top silly, the fact is that a lot of people have made a lot of money genuinely believing in things way crazier than your posts

Here, go buy his book

http://davidickebooks.co.uk/index.ph...d&productId=50

If all of this is true, then why did pokerstars created a site called Intellipoker in favour of the intelligent player and intended for the weak player to improve his game.

It really doesn't make much sense.

And then we get gimmick employee accounts that get paid to troll and tell me how stupid I am.

Doesnt matter who plays good and who plays bad. Didnt I make that obvious. And how many germans did that attract to this site. What do you think the dollar amount was that intellipoker created in rake?

Wake up!

lol at people who would win online if it weren't for rigging.



Hey wait!

I agree with this 100%. Couldn't have said it better myself.

If you are calling Phil Hellmuth a donk, you are soo soo wrong my friend.