If you believe that's the case then all you need to do is present your evidence together with the statistical analysis that proves that something untoward is happening and everyone else will see that you have the superior argument and turn on any shills that are foolish enough to try and browbeat you into withdrawing your evidence.

But just sounding off and complaining about 'representatives', 'bullying' and hiding of allegiances - as usual, with no supporting evidence - just makes you look like a frustrated blowhard flailing around impotently bad mouthing anyone who disagrees with him.

Could you tell me if knowing these `things`would help someone win more all-in confontations?
please pm me if your not comfortable saying anything in the forum

Monteroy,

Thanks for the advice.

Though it is hard to take you seriously when you make statements like "my posts are probably one of the best things you will ever receive" I appreciate your honesty.

The problem is, what is high confidence?

In the last 1052 hands, I've received 73o only 2 times. The probability of being dealt 73o is 24/2652, so I should have been dealt this hand roughly 9.5 times on average.

Using simple binomial distribution, we find that my accumulative result is 0.00398312664994671, meaning there is a 0.4% chance that a random sample would result in as few or fewer results as my sample (assuming I'm understanding binomial distributions correctly). But what does this really tell us and can we make any real statements about this?

Sample size can have an effect on our studies, but as the sample size decreases, the range of acceptable results broadens quickly, so just saying the sample size is too small, doesn't really make sense.

He makes it hard to take him seriously, but I think he's being genuine most of the time.

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Quick question to both qpw and Monteroy.

I see that you have both watched that YouTube pokerman's videos.

I want to make one small assumption first, lets assume in that pokerman video set, all of the beats had happened in the day for which he is filming so it is like a daily account.

THE QUESTION:

If you had the same exact results as him day after day with that many river and runner runner beats in big pots for that many sessions, (looks to be about a little over 50) would you chock it up to pure variance of the game or would you think there was a slight possibility something else is effecting the outcome of the hand?

Please ignore the fact that you might both be better players and that your play would yield different results, lets just focus on the exact same outcome when you had gotten your money in ahead.

I am very curious of this.

^^ If I thought that I was experiencing more bad beats or whatever than was realistically explainable through variance I would simply run analyses of my hands and check.

Of course I do have an advantage being well versed in many and various programing languages.

Pokerstars is SOFTWARE! Of course it can be manipulated. Apparently some people don't think they would do such a thing since they already make enough money.

I wish people would wake up

You make this process sound pretty simple. Care to share what types of analyses you would run?

Xevoious, don't bother man. They put everything in this one thread so the argument can be contained.

I would also like to know this.

If I posted and/or showed selectively all of my bad beats in a typical day I could make it look more rigged than any riggie in this thread with their fictional play.

Stop buying into cherry picked data, if you play a lot you will see all sorts of bad beats as that is part of the game. Do I like when the 96 0 guy limps then calls my 200 BB shoves with A6 and cracks my kings? No. Would I do it again vs that guy. Yes. Are guys like that winning players? Only if -85% ROIs count.



In this thread they are by a huge margin. You will get MUCH better advice if you spend your time in the appropriate strategy forums instead of here.

Seriously, what else do you want me to tell you. Either do what I suggest or keep watching those videos and following guys who say stuff like


or


This is my last post to you, so if you want to sit on the fence and choose which advice to follow then I have nothing else to offer. Either be rational and work on your game or "wake up."

Be a player or a riggie.

RIIIIGHT! So the dude that uploaded all of those vids of his bad beats claiming that it's rigged also needs to work on his game? Tell me this Einstein. How can you "work" on your game when pokerstars screws you all the time?

For everyone that doesn't know what I'm talking about, there's a dude on youtube that has uploaded over 50 videos of pokerstars screwing him. I'm sure you can relate to his vids


YOU NEED TO WATCH THESE

www.youtube.com/pokerman1978

Are you able to articulate why exactly you believe these video's are evidence of rigging?

Irony

PokerStars Game #39701449758: Tournament #284010646, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2010/02/13 16:09:25 ET
Table '284010646 82' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Invisiyetti (1430 in chips)
Seat 2: sweghozt (1450 in chips)
Seat 3: lunertic (3020 in chips)
Seat 4: guaje1000 (1240 in chips)
Seat 5: Monteroy (3040 in chips)
Seat 6: bigbeer22 (2990 in chips)
Seat 7: arceagle (5100 in chips)
Seat 8: JDChiro (2900 in chips)
Seat 9: knuffodragen (3250 in chips)
Monteroy: posts small blind 10
bigbeer22: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Monteroy [Ks Kd]
arceagle: folds
JDChiro: folds
knuffodragen: folds
Invisiyetti: raises 20 to 40
sweghozt: folds
lunertic: calls 40
guaje1000: calls 40
Monteroy: raises 3000 to 3040 and is all-in
bigbeer22: folds
Invisiyetti: folds
lunertic: folds
guaje1000: calls 1200 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1800) returned to Monteroy
*** FLOP *** [5h 8c 7s]
*** TURN *** [5h 8c 7s] [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [5h 8c 7s Ah] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Monteroy: shows [Ks Kd] (a pair of Kings)
guaje1000: shows [Td Ac] (a pair of Aces)
guaje1000 collected 2580 from pot


http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...24C8F.html?t=2

http://www.pokerprolabs.com/guaje1000/pokerstars.aspx


Some guys just suck, that's all. Poker allows them to win hands once in a while despite that. Be happy it is like that, if it was not it would be chess and those guys would never win and would quit very quickly.

Imagine if I did a youtube video that featured that hand...

Hold on there sir. I'm the one who brought pokerman1978 videos to this forums attention last night. I contacted him and he said 2-3 videos are within a 2 days span of 5-6 hours a day. He just takes awhile to upload them because he has a life outside of poker like work and his girlfriend. Some people have a life outside of poker.

More irony. With all the shill labels tossed about you are one of the few genuine shills here with how you constantly pitch his videos.

This is how an actual shill operates, he joins and then spams forums spreading the word about something he or his buddy did to try to increase awareness and build a following.

How much do you get paid? Are you indeed the "real deal?"

Monteroy wrote:
"Stop buying into cherry picked data" - I am trying to grasp what I was watching and if it was just that "cherry picked". You might be correct on this one but again, I do not want to just jump to the conclusion the guys videos are worthless until I get more information.

Again, I am not sure why you go on the attack of the poster instead of the content of his post (bigjames881). It makes your arguments weak like you are trying to divert from the real issue.

I like a lot of what you have to say when I skip past all the negative stuff.

You posted a single hand history to refute the person who has shown hundreds of them in YouTube videos.

You can be more convincing than that.

Ok, you have prompted me to see what kind of tournament and cash player that YouTube guy really is.

Because he is a troll (an obvious one at that).

He doesn't even look at the guys videos. I even mentioned that 2-3 of his videos are from a 2 day span of 5-6 hours a day. He takes awhile to post them because he has a life outside of poker.

This guy is the very definition of a troll. Just don't feed it anymore. Maybe then it will go away like a fart in the air.

He is a winning player.
http://www.pokerprolabs.com/Scientist78/pokerstars.aspx

Fine, no problem.

Spend a lot of time ensuring the games are being dealt fairly to you. Some of the other non-shill "shills" will likely chat about that with you forever if you like.

Watch that guys videos, do tons of research on what he and many of the other things some of the people in this thread have suggested to make sure Tilt is not screwing specifically you if that is what it takes for you to be comfortable playing.

I did not post that single hand to refute anything, I thought it was funny that it took place about 10 minutes after I mentioned that exact scenario. I am not trying to convince you of anything, I merely listed the options you can choose and it seems fairly apparent which one it will be.

Good luck.

You and I have different opinions on what constitutes a "winning player."

P.S. Want to impress me, do a reveal that shows you are with that other guy in being a shill in this thread to push that guy's videos. I would actually applaud that type of marketing campaign as far as shilling goes.

All the best.

Good lord... He even argues on what's a winning player when the FACT is the dude IS a winning player!

I feel sorry for your girlfriend/wife if you even have one that is.

Pathetic attempt to twist the shill argument around Monteroy.

How do you PIGs live with yourself, actively defending one of the biggest money making scams EVER.

When you grow old and reflect on your life how do you think you will feel about the good old days when you helped people to be scammed?