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02-13-2010 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by arcticbeatle
Another rigtard who is a paranoid xenophobe. America is not the be all and end of all of the world. If you think the U.S government is trustworthy then you're deluded.
Who do you trust more some random group of poeple that answer to no one or the us government?
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02-13-2010 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
Can someone explain why i havent won a pot in 5 days after i sent my id in 3 times and wait for my account to be verified for cashout? Its total bs cake network is a fing joke
Dude, you chose to be called pooflinger. Id say the chances you are not a complete idiot is about the same as the chances that you are losing because you are being cheated rather than because you suck, zero to none.
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02-13-2010 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Im a winning player on all sites

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/JunnieBrown
Isnt that really enough said about this clown? ^^^
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02-13-2010 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
Who do you trust more some random group of poeple that answer to no one or the us government?
I will take my chance with " some random group of people " as you put it.
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02-13-2010 , 03:37 AM
I wont
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02-13-2010 , 05:11 AM
I think you are, actually.... which is the funniest thing of all assuming you actually believe what you're saying
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02-13-2010 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, because if there's one thing poker sites want to do, it's to risk getting caught rigging just to make a tournament last longer.
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Originally Posted by solucky
Risk to getting caught is close to 0.
And 5% created games to increase the RAKE double the companys Profit.
Did you even read my whole post? How does making short stacks win more in a tournament help to increase rake?

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Who is going to catch them?
Poker players, like the ones who caught UB & AP. But that wasn't my point, as you would know if you read my whole post.

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Originally Posted by toltec444
You must live in some european country right.

Tell me, if they are not wanting to cheat why most of the poker sites are running in the moon, where theres no law? Running in the old west of the world? That in itself is very suspicious, you have to give a lot of explanation for a normal thinking person to make he think that this has nothing to do with cheating.
Um, what?

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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
I think you work for the sites or a site yes. Probably Stars. You probably dont play at Stars at all and dont really play much poker in general. Probably because you have a real job working for the sites
This is proof that it's pointless responding to this troll. Give him the SNs he asks for, and he just carries on with the same baseless accusations.
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02-13-2010 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett


This is proof that it's pointless responding to this troll. Give him the SNs he asks for, and he just carries on with the same baseless accusations.
When did he give screen names sir? He just said he was in a full tilt provate tournament and that he has also played on Stars a few times lol. Not quite like me saying here is a link to my pocletfives page.
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02-13-2010 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
So what would you call Spadebidder's study?
Spadebidder did a lot of work and i respect his work.
My english is not so well, but i dont find a analyse including the whole cards.

Exspecially whole cards in relation to the flop, turn, river.
And flop turn river in relation to the wholecards in the blinds.

A complete analyse is relative easy. At sample you have 1 billion possible ways how the cards could be dealt you look to 100 billion games and there is a random shuffle.

But i guess noone have / get the complete games including all whole cards.
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02-13-2010 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
Who do you trust more some random group of poeple that answer to no one or the us government?

This is not a slur on American people because some of them are the best people I have met ( in fact two of my best friends are Americans ). + I am moving over there to Vegas next year but some of you rigtard trolls who are raving on about the U.S government being trustworthy and saying that Europe is the wild west and the rest of the world are bad evil people who want to scam you of your hard earned are genuine, ignorant xenophobes.

Some of the more recent U.S governments have been nothing short of disasters. Not only have they destroyed Americas reputation on the world stage but they have increased national debt by 3 times to 60 trillion, shown gross negligence in handling the economy and well I could go on and on and on and but I think you get the picture

And you tell me you trust the U.S government more than the people at PokerStars who try and provide people entertainment, a way of life and are overseen by a reputable gaming commission with stats to back up their claims that their games are fair

Lol I have to laugh because YES the people of Europe, the British Isles and anyone, anywhere outside America who run poker sites or is affiliated with a poker site or is a company shill who gets paid $2 a post to post on this thread are all out to get you. Seriously we all are.....
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02-13-2010 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by solucky
Spadebidder did a lot of work and i respect his work.
My english is not so well, but i dont find a analyse including the whole cards.

Exspecially whole cards in relation to the flop, turn, river.
And flop turn river in relation to the wholecards in the blinds.

A complete analyse is relative easy. At sample you have 1 billion possible ways how the cards could be dealt you look to 100 billion games and there is a random shuffle.

But i guess noone have / get the complete games including all whole cards.
spadebidder has explained IN DETAIL more than once in this thread why it's not statistically relevant to get this information... at this point it's just laziness on your part

You can't keep asking the guy to continue repeating himself over and over again to refute the flawed argument that you continue to present
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02-13-2010 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
spadebidder has explained IN DETAIL more than once in this thread why it's not statistically relevant to get this information... at this point it's just laziness on your part

You can't keep asking the guy to continue repeating himself over and over again to refute the flawed argument that you continue to present
Bingo
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02-13-2010 , 07:41 AM
I have no evidence, but I think the links above are rigged ' \`



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More smarter peoples than I thoughts
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02-13-2010 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
When did he give screen names sir? He just said he was in a full tilt provate tournament and that he has also played on Stars a few times lol. Not quite like me saying here is a link to my pocletfives page.
Umm...

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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Other than Josem for understandable reasons, who in this thread is siding with poker sites? More like siding against rigged speculations based on anecdotal bad beats. When some evidence comes out, most here would love to see it.

This is my screenname everywhere.
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02-13-2010 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by solucky
And flop turn river in relation to the wholecards in the blinds.
Last night I was in the SB with 55. Everyone folded to me, I decided to just complete instead of raise. BB checks.

Flop: 345 rainbow

I bet, he raises, I reraise (putting him all-in), he calls.

His hand: 67.

So I flop top set while he flops the nuts. I didn't catch any of my outs.

Funny side note: I had him covered so I was only moderately crippled. I went on to win the 9-man SnG.

Rigged?
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02-13-2010 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
This is histerical. This thread was created to cenrtralize this issue so the representitives from the sites could troll it all day and attempt to shut down anyone that challeneges. Some of you are obviously representitives. You make it too obv
It has already been explained that if the sites really wanted shills they would employ people like you who claim it is rigged but appear so stupid that they completely discredit the own arguement. It has also been explained that they wouldn't employ shills to keep bumping a huge thread to the front page when they could just let numerous pathetic, whiney little threads die as quickly as they deserve to.

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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
The funny part here is either do you but yet alot of you like to talk like were stupid for questioning these people. They have security teams to make sure players arent colluding and this and that but do we check them back? No. Lots of random posters on here that are really passionate about shooting down any accusations of wrong doing from the sites but yet you cant prove they are legit.

Seems alittle hypocritical lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You rigtards are allllllll stupid! The sites obviously arent rigged because theyyyyyy say they arent. And just because I have no real information of my own to prove my stance doesnt mean anything because they told me so
It has has also been explained that it is impossible to prove that it is not rigged, however hard Spadebidder tries. It is however very easy to prove something may be amiss with your own hand histories and yet you continue to whine about ridiculous suckouts rather than just posting an all in EV graph of your complete hand history, which would demonstrate the kind of rigging you are claiming if it actually exists.

I predict that not only will this not demonstrate anything is wrong but will actually make you realise just how close to EV you are running. Are you going to do this or not? Please prove me wrong.

Out of interest, what would your total Pokerstars ROI be if you combined the results from your "doomswitched" account and your other account? You know, the fraudulent one that got shut down for multiaccounting (or because you were winning too much and Stars didnt like it as you seem to imagine).
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02-13-2010 , 11:21 AM
well if you think that
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02-13-2010 , 11:23 AM
you'll see soon enough
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02-13-2010 , 11:29 AM
I guess the idiots saying poker isn't rigged just completely ignored the dudes videos he uploaded on youtube. Who cares though. You muppets go ahead keep thinking these places are honest and they would never in a million years rig their system to greatly increase their profits because they make enough already and people aren't that evil, ESPECIALLY since they're already extremely rich people


If 10 extremely rich people own a nice share of pokerstars, you're telling me not one of them would not come up with this idea?

Keep living in fantasy land dumbasses
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02-13-2010 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bigjames881
I guess the idiots saying poker isn't rigged just completely ignored the dudes videos he uploaded on youtube. Who cares though. You muppets go ahead keep thinking these places are honest and they would never in a million years rig their system to greatly increase their profits because they make enough already and people aren't that evil, ESPECIALLY since they're already extremely rich people


If 10 extremely rich people own a nice share of pokerstars, you're telling me not one of them would not come up with this idea?

Keep living in fantasy land dumbasses
ban for multiaccounting (and being a dumbass)
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02-13-2010 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bigjames881
well if you think that
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Originally Posted by bigjames881
you'll see soon enough
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Originally Posted by bigjames881
I guess the idiots saying poker isn't rigged just completely ignored the dudes videos he uploaded on youtube. Who cares though. You muppets go ahead keep thinking these places are honest and they would never in a million years rig their system to greatly increase their profits because they make enough already and people aren't that evil, ESPECIALLY since they're already extremely rich people


If 10 extremely rich people own a nice share of pokerstars, you're telling me not one of them would not come up with this idea?

Keep living in fantasy land dumbasses
I see one of the sites has appointed a new shill to post here in a way that make the rigtards look so foolish that no one will want to be associated with them.

The only trouble is that this one has gone a little bit too far and it's obvious what he's up to.
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02-13-2010 , 12:07 PM
bigjames881

Why is it so hard for some people to understand that anywhere is 'offshore'* for most of the people in the world.

* In the sense of being abroad. If you placed a gaming site on European, Asian or African soil to would be 'onshore' to most of the world's population as they are linked by land irrespective of the underlying tectonic plate.

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02-13-2010 , 12:13 PM
qpw

Oh I am sooooo sorry your majesty. Let me rephrase.

Yeah! Because there's nothing shady about the largest poker company in the world being operated where the online gaming laws and restrictions are very light/soft.

Is that better your majesty?

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02-13-2010 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bigjames881
Oh I am sooooo sorry your majesty. Let me rephrase.

Yeah! Because there's nothing shady about the largest poker company in the world being operated where the online gaming laws and restrictions are very light/soft.

Is that better your majesty?
Are they light or soft?

Do you have any evidence for that?

Почему ты такой глупый?

तुम ऐसा क्यों कर रहे हैं एक निरा मूर्ख?
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02-13-2010 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
Почему ты такой глупый?
You just gave me a flashback to my Russian class in high school. That wasn't very nice to say it in a different language.

I'm really trying to understand why anyone would resort to calling other people stupid in this thread (not just you, qpw, I'm not singling you out). If someone is operating under false assumptions (or what certainly appear to be), what's the point in calling them names? Is it:

A) Trying to change their minds through ridicule.
B) Hoping other people see they shouldn't take this stance or they will also face ridicule.
C) Letting off steam because they annoy me.
D) Letting off steam because of something else.
E) Other

This goes for both sides, btw.
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