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Old 04-02-2009, 04:28 PM   #1326
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

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Don't you dare talk down to online poker! HaHa! You guys are pathetic.Im on the phone right now discussing this whole situation and literally before i could give my conclusion It was said it's affiliates of the site's pumpin propaganda! Before even talking about online poker being rigged? What do you think other agency's are thinking when they read this?
lol at ANYONE you have real life contact with being anyone the average online poker player gives two ****s about. and what "agency" is this? unemployment?
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Old 04-02-2009, 04:36 PM   #1327
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You think Government agency's aren't looking into online poker? We're about to make it legal...it was inevitability
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Old 04-02-2009, 04:40 PM   #1328
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god just when I think it's finally digging a grave we find more gold lol
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Old 04-02-2009, 04:41 PM   #1329
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You think Government agency's aren't looking into online poker? We're about to make it legal...it was inevitability
who's this "we" you speak of? You n' Stephen?
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Don't you dare talk down to online poker!
what's this obsession with people "talking down" to things?

you're a lying nut-job.

you claim that whenever you post things they come true within a week. I asked you to give us one example, you ignore me.

you say that your results are statistically outside expected results, but when I ask for proof of that, again you're silent.

you said you're gonna drop some bombshell on us, but after 4 months and a few hours, still nothing.

you said something to the effect of "there you go saying 'we' again" and I asked you to show where I did - again, zilch.

so what state's sex offender list are you on? I'd like to see your picture.

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Old 04-02-2009, 04:50 PM   #1330
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I trust the United States of America and their government. Not Euro trash like you....
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Well if online poker is somehow rigged, by the players or the site...We now know not to come here to look for proof....America runs the world in case you haven't figured that out yet..."Imperial...."
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so you guys are adement about using spell check? Would that be b/c you truely know your an idiot and can't have conversations with out it? I dont use it...so why do you?

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Old 04-02-2009, 05:03 PM   #1331
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Did you not see my post asking for a bet?
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:17 PM   #1332
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You think Government agency's aren't looking into online poker? We're about to make it legal...it was inevitability
Sweet, ty.
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:25 PM   #1333
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Well, well, well.

Whoda thunk it?

tk1133 from this thread:
"I guess we're bad players and ******s for losing consistantly when we're over an 80 percent favorite to win...that solves it for me. I shoulda known..."

Steven Mears in the thread linked to above:
"I guess we're bad players and ******s for losing consistantly when we're over a favorite to win...that solves it for me. I shoulda known..."

Sooo owned!

Sooo busted!

Crawl away and dissolve like the slug you are, Mears.
Same misspelling of consistent too. Good catch. Now it all makes sense.

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Old 04-02-2009, 06:09 PM   #1334
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qpw - let's be honest here. The "steven meares" on golden tee is not the one who used to post here, it is a gimmick account a 2+2er created back when we were having fun with the real meares. And that comment you linked to was posted today, after tk1133 posted his here. It was obviously copied over there, probably by you.

That doesn't make him not a rigtard, we don't need tricks to see that. But I should have known better myself, I'm embarrassed I fell for it.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:35 PM   #1335
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I cant even begin to repeat the technical stuff he said. Bunch of programming lingo. He was high level in operations there. Although he did end up leaving abruptly over some kind of problem with management. He basically told me that ....yes it is rigged, the random deal is is set up b4 hand to make certain players win. Not on ALL hands, but on certain hands. He also mentioned something about people that work for FTP playing on the site. Mostly Med. levels. They can see hole cards too. Maybe ill get him to post here tomorrow.

BTW...not an april fools thing if thats what youre thinking
I'm looking forward to the big reveal from AAAj's "friend". His 2+2 banishment should be over tomorrow.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:47 PM   #1336
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Question Site Integrity

After one particular bad beat suck out fest on PokerStars, I, tilted to the max, sent a polite email to PS support questioning their sites integrity . To their credit, they actually sent me back an email. A form email, but it is better then the no response I got from Full Tilt to the same set of questions.

Here is a copy


Hello xxxxxx ,

Thank you for your recent email.

I can assure you that our company make its profit from the rake and
registration fees of all of the real money games that we offer.
Therefore, the outcome of the games we provide, by that I mean who wins and
loses etc, is of no consequence to us. Thus, for us to manipulate the
shuffle in anyway or to somehow cause some other effect on the game would be
of very little gain to us.

We have nothing to gain by favouring one player over another. We make our
money simply by having people play more hands. If we tried to bankrupt
certain players, we lose out on money by rake.

Let's assume for a moment that we did do this though. In this very
hypothetical situation, let's then assume that a PokerStars employee gets
sick of it and releases compelling evidence that it's true. We would then
likely lose a large percentage of our players, if not all of them. As we
make our money purely from rake and tournament fees, we would therefore go
out of business. So what's the point in doing it? A debatable short term
gain in return for losing the entire business isn't a very good trade off,
irrespective of mathematical, moral and legal reasons to not cheat our players.

I hope that this email helps to reassure you that we do indeed run an honest
game here. Please remember that, we provide you with any detailed
information you require in order to perform your own investigation should
you continue to doubt the integrity of our site.

I hope that this clarifies the matter for you.

Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require any further assistance.

Good luck at the tables.

Regards,


Lee B
PokerStars Support Team


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they do make a few good points. I suppose PS is actually on the up and up, unlike some sites out there...
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:13 PM   #1337
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Re: Site Integrity

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After one particular bad beat suck out fest on PokerStars, I, tilted to the max, sent a polite email to PS support questioning their sites integrity . To their credit, they actually sent me back an email. A form email, but it is better then the no response I got from Full Tilt to the same set of questions.

Here is a copy


Hello xxxxxx ,

Thank you for your recent email.

I can assure you that our company make its profit from the rake and
registration fees of all of the real money games that we offer.
Therefore, the outcome of the games we provide, by that I mean who wins and
loses etc, is of no consequence to us. Thus, for us to manipulate the
shuffle in anyway or to somehow cause some other effect on the game would be
of very little gain to us.

We have nothing to gain by favouring one player over another. We make our
money simply by having people play more hands. If we tried to bankrupt
certain players, we lose out on money by rake.

Let's assume for a moment that we did do this though. In this very
hypothetical situation, let's then assume that a PokerStars employee gets
sick of it and releases compelling evidence that it's true. We would then
likely lose a large percentage of our players, if not all of them. As we
make our money purely from rake and tournament fees, we would therefore go
out of business. So what's the point in doing it? A debatable short term
gain in return for losing the entire business isn't a very good trade off,
irrespective of mathematical, moral and legal reasons to not cheat our players.

I hope that this email helps to reassure you that we do indeed run an honest
game here. Please remember that, we provide you with any detailed
information you require in order to perform your own investigation should
you continue to doubt the integrity of our site.

I hope that this clarifies the matter for you.

Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require any further assistance.

Good luck at the tables.

Regards,


Lee B
PokerStars Support Team


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they do make a few good points. I suppose PS is actually on the up and up, unlike some sites out there...


You realize these same points apply to every other poker room as well right?
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:17 PM   #1338
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Joe Norton was head of the KGC when it happened...His name was implecated as part of the scandel...I've never heard the Nevada gaming commission taking part in such activities?



Of course not.
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:38 PM   #1339
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Joe Norton was head of the KGC when it happened...His name was implecated (sic) as part of the scandel (sic)...
Only because I prefer facts, I'll point out that Joe Norton was never personally on the KGC, and was not the Mohawk chief when the scandals occurred (he left the job in 2004). Certainly he was involved with setting up the KGC back in the 90's, and he of course owns AB/UP and some of MIT. But he was a businessman, not a tribal official or KGC official. This is not a defense of anything, just a fact check since you like to spout too many things that aren't true.

Norton also claims the insiders were there when he bought the company, which he had owned for less than 2 years when the scandal happened. He fired them all and paid back the players. Again, I'm not defending him (and he does have a checkered past), I just like to be accurate.

Edit - and no I don't play on AP/UB and would not. Just saying.

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Old 04-02-2009, 07:52 PM   #1340
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by the way tk1133... your spelling errors aren't a result of typing fast. You simply can't spell.
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:59 PM   #1341
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I expected that to suck, but was pleasantly surprised to be wrong.

"Yes, those spies are worth that extra ROI we send their way. They do a great job of emb-ressing the posters who say the site is rigged."
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:24 PM   #1342
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by the way tk1133... your spelling errors aren't a result of typing fast. You simply can't spell.
Well I'm from Cleveland too, must be the school system here...but uh...I'm not the one that has admitted to using a spell check. Some have even confessed to going out of their way to get one. Ok you guys claim to be smart. Let's count the all the words i've written(b/c it's appearant that I don't have a spell check of any kind) and calculate how many words I've spelled correctly as opposed to how many words I spelled wrong. Since you guys are poker gods, this should be a fairly easy thing to do. "It's the only true way to see if my spelling is that bad." Can I get a ratio?
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:27 PM   #1343
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If somebody can honestly look up my entire posts/threads and see how many words i've wrritten, how many are spelled correctly and how many are wrong, i'll find another site to vent on....
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:29 PM   #1344
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Of course not.
Robert Deniro or Frank Rosenthal? And uhhh...didnt he get caught?! interesting reference you've made....
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:35 PM   #1345
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And if you really want me to post my PM's between me and Steven meer'es i will. But i don't think it will help your cause...prolly(probably) make it worse. The funny thing is you act like i spell words wrong such as:"Boi, am I hungary, I need sum fud."
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Well I'm from Cleveland too, must be the school system here...but uh...I'm not the one that has admitted to using a spell check. Some have even confessed to going out of their way to get one. Ok you guys claim to be smart. Let's count the all the words i've written(b/c it's appearant that I don't have a spell check of any kind) and calculate how many words I've spelled correctly as opposed to how many words I spelled wrong. Since you guys are poker gods, this should be a fairly easy thing to do. "It's the only true way to see if my spelling is that bad." Can I get a ratio?
Most smart people use Firefox, which comes with an automatic spell checker (checks spelling as you type, like Office products).

I'm going to take a guess and say you use IE, correct?
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who's this "we" you speak of? You n' Stephen?

what's this obsession with people "talking down" to things?

you're a lying nut-job.

you claim that whenever you post things they come true within a week. I asked you to give us one example, you ignore me.

you say that your results are statistically outside expected results, but when I ask for proof of that, again you're silent.

you said you're gonna drop some bombshell on us, but after 4 months and a few hours, still nothing.

you said something to the effect of "there you go saying 'we' again" and I asked you to show where I did - again, zilch.

so what state's sex offender list are you on? I'd like to see your picture.
If I called my friend on the phone or If i were sitting at a casino and said I only play live now b/c i think online poker is rigged. Do you think they'd care? Do you think the guy sitting next to me would flip the table over and cuss me out? So what makes this different? It's bad press. That's why your taught to disect every thing that's said bad about online poker, and you even have a reference guide as how to "debate." You studied on how to debate so you could defend the almighty and honorable online poker? I'm the one with a life. Notice I'm only on here a couple times out of the week...you on the other hand...I bet your on every single dating site. Do you do this at the E-Harmony forums as well? Wait for somebody to say that E-harmony is rigged b/c they put up fake pictures and profiles of guys looking for other guys. Then your the hero that comes to the rescue and informs everybody that those claims out outrageous and you've met plenty of men on there...?
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i misspelled definatly...not b/c i type so fast but b/c i cannot spell
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