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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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02-12-2010 , 01:37 PM
Risk to getting caught is close to 0.
And 5% created games to increase the RAKE double the companys Profit.
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02-12-2010 , 01:47 PM
can somebody tell me when the doomswitch is turned off at Party Poker. Is it after you apologise for telling people they do have one ,or after you put in more money into your account? I dont really have to hear from you employee rigbusters who love to hear themselves talk with thier fancy prose bs.

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02-12-2010 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by solucky
Risk to getting caught is close to 0.
And 5% created games to increase the RAKE double the companys Profit.
Are you levelling? Posts like this are so depressing. You've been following this thread for so long, and have obviously seen the posts describing how difficult it would be to do what you are saying without leaving behind a huge footprint. You've had the oppotunity to look at Spadeibdder's site which shows nothing amiss up to the turn. It's not even worth responding to you substantively since you clearly have had no interest in taking the explanations the umpteen other times this has come up.

You clealy are comfortable with your fears, so why bother posting about them?
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02-12-2010 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bigjames881
So I was browsing on youtube and I stumbled on a pokerstars rigged video. I watched it and I was SHOCKED at how many bad beats he was getting. I checked his profile and he has TONS of videos on pokerstars rigging him (at least 60 vids). What are your thoughts on this?

After seeing these vids I'm personally not going back to pokerstars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SEvvJM2RW0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOFt...eature=related
I was tempted to make a video like this as well. I ran exactly like this for probably about 30k hands solid.

It destroyed my bankroll and I had to move down in stakes twice. It is like I was being punished when I was getting all in as a 75%+ favorite.

I really started thinking the site was adjusting to allow the players that were behind to catch up so they would stay playing on the site.

Whenever I got all my chips in, even when I had AA and flop would come A,2,7 rainbow I would get a sick feeling in my stomach that I knew something bad was going to happen.
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02-12-2010 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Maybe you deserved to lose? I know, shocking to consider you actually could be responsible for your own results.
How? when i get it in with 91% equity on the turn i deserve to lose? wrong
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02-12-2010 , 03:13 PM
Another Impasse...
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02-12-2010 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dugpe
can somebody tell me when the doomswitch is turned off at Party Poker.
Once you have paid the $100 'NDS' fee.

This has to be paid via an accredited agent. I'll be happy to do that for you. Just PM me, (be sure to include your screen name for me to pass on to PS), to arrange payment and you doomswitch will be turned off withing 36 hours of payment being received.

Please note that now you have initiated these proceedings your IP address will be obtained by PS under an agreement they have with 2+2 and if you do not go ahead with the NDS option you will be 'Super Doom Switched' (SDS) for a period of not less than two months.

Kind Regards, etc.
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02-12-2010 , 04:21 PM
I have sent my id in 3 times trying to verfy my account in the process i havent won a hand in over 700 hands cake network is total bs and 100 percent rigged .any who how think diff can lick my chode
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02-12-2010 , 05:24 PM
This guys posts an interesting video on Royal Flushes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x5wn...eature=related

I was checking out nanonoko's Royal Flush results and he has had 10 in under 3 million hands.

I think the number should be more around 4.5 (3mil/650k).
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02-12-2010 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Knytestorme
I love how all rigtards are major xenophobes that seem to think that the US government is the only one that can be trusted. I'm quite sure that plenty of evidence exists to show that isn't true.

I've never quite grasped how an official government agency from a nation that the US have major trade agreements with (ie the UK) is considered by rigtards to not be trustworthy enough to control a fair game.
As far as I know, there are no poker sites licensed by the British government.

PKR have a licence to develop software from the UK Gambling Commission, but their gaming licence is from Alderney (an island off the British coast) - presumably for tax reasons.
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02-12-2010 , 06:05 PM
Someone good at math fgiure out what the odds are of losing 7 all ins in a row with an over pocket pair to an under pocket pair. The guy at Stars just told me this was normal so I need the %
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02-12-2010 , 06:06 PM
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02-12-2010 , 06:14 PM
That is like rolling a crazy f'ed up 2000 sided Dungeons and Dragons dice, calling out the number and then hitting it.
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02-12-2010 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Someone good at math fgiure out what the odds are of losing 7 all ins in a row with an over pocket pair to an under pocket pair. The guy at Stars just told me this was normal so I need the %
It's roughly 80/20 for the overpair... so 0.20^7 should yield the chances of it happening 7 times in a row starting now... 0.0000128 = 0.00128% or once in 78125
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02-12-2010 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Someone good at math fgiure out what the odds are of losing 7 all ins in a row with an over pocket pair to an under pocket pair. The guy at Stars just told me this was normal so I need the %
Did you happen to ask for your hand histories while you were at it?
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02-12-2010 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Xevoius
That is like rolling a crazy f'ed up 2000 sided Dungeons and Dragons dice, calling out the number and then hitting it.
Indeed, and certainly you should never question the source of this information since after all it is from a random riggie/gimmick saying he heard something from another random riggie about Pokerstars.

If you cannot trust 3rd generation second hand information from a guy with an agenda then who can you trust. Certainly makes spadebidder's statistical work pale in comparison.


Have to say, this new crop of riggies/gimmicks is very sub-standard and extremely boring. They just seem more like beginner players and less like the true hard core paranoid nuts we have come to appreciate.

Maybe I should cave in and start a fight with spadebidder to make the thread more interesting. I think he forgot to carry a 2 in his calculations...
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02-12-2010 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Are you levelling? Posts like this are so depressing. You've been following this thread for so long, and have obviously seen the posts describing how difficult it would be to do what you are saying without leaving behind a huge footprint. You've had the oppotunity to look at Spadeibdder's site which shows nothing amiss up to the turn. It's not even worth responding to you substantively since you clearly have had no interest in taking the explanations the umpteen other times this has come up.

You clealy are comfortable with your fears, so why bother posting about them?
I have no fears, i reduced poker years ago. I never was good but made good money in the old days and had many reasons to stop Onlinepoker.

I have serious doubts that a good rigg will be detected.

1. variance
2. analysed database
3. personal reasons for the people that did the analyse

At sample a online - pro that beat the system should kill the golden cow ?
Maybee its random, but there are many reasons
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02-12-2010 , 06:46 PM
Has anyone else watched some of this guy's Pokerstars YouTube videos and have felt a little suspicious for how bad he is getting beaten?

http://www.youtube.com/user/pokerman.../0/hXMUPjhTQSk

I mean I know you can have bad runs and variance can be horrible in this game but after about his 5th or 6th video you would think it would end.

He is now on Video #54.

And these videos are usually based on just his single daily play and not on a giant sample he is selecting the worst beats from.

smithcommajohn, I would love to hear some commentary from you on these videos as you seem to be more open minded than most on here and are not polarized on the topic of sites being rigged or not.

I should get back on my FullTilt account and start shooting some footage as it runs as cold as his is on Pokerstars.

Last edited by Xevoius; 02-12-2010 at 06:55 PM.
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02-12-2010 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Did you happen to ask for your hand histories while you were at it?
Yes they are compiling every hand history ive ever had and Im gonna run it through the luck program thing
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02-12-2010 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Yes they are compiling every hand history ive ever had and Im gonna run it through the luck program thing
Good to hear. Keep us posted. Provide links, sources etc though so it can be independently verified.
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02-12-2010 , 07:06 PM
Good luck, we're all counting on you.
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02-12-2010 , 07:28 PM
Those vidoes posted are what its all about. Its my belief the rng is rigged to close the gap between good and bad players thus keeping everyone alive and playing which dramticly increases the amount of rake paid which is the sites bottom line. Look at any big business. They do almost anything to increase profit and this is exactly what these companies do behind there closed doors. There really isnt any other explantion for the overwhelming amount of rediculous beats. And dont pay attention to just yours. Start watching all the all ins. Notice how many times the weaker player draws out. You do the math on all this and its gonna show. Sites all say that they have no reason to tamper with the rng but they have the best reason to. Someone argue this.
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02-12-2010 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Its my belief the rng is rigged to close the gap between good and bad players thus keeping everyone alive and playing which dramticly increases the amount of rake paid which is the sites bottom line.

Someone argue this.
There are much safer non rigging ways to make bad players last longer (if thats what they wanted). Ban all programs that help winning players win more, faster, would be the first step.
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02-12-2010 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
There are much safer non rigging ways to make bad players last longer. Ban all programs that help winning players win more, faster, would be the first step.
Huds make players play more tables=more rake

rigged rng keeps them from busting the weak players

all = more rake

they have a perfect profit model
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02-12-2010 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
You do the math on all this and its gonna show.
So what would you call Spadebidder's study?
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