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Old 02-04-2010, 03:54 PM   #13001
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Focus if you would; stop the usual bs of this thread.

The question is:

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So that is the point - is there any realistic chance that a site could get away with an abnormal number of bad beats? (They are not dealt to specific players, mind you; every seat gets their fair share of sick two outers.)
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:49 PM   #13002
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cake is a big pile of rigged dog crap
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:18 PM   #13003
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Last hand of the day. I am in a satellite, we are on the bubble. I am very short, so I shove my AQ UTG+1. Everyone folds, except for the BB. He has enough chips to survive 10 or 12 more hands, and the chances are minimal that the bubble will hold that long. But if he calls and loses, he will be short, too, and will be blinded out within 5 hands or so (antes).
He calls with A4. That call alone is a bad beat, because I have to run into a braindead player, and in contrast to general opinion there are not that many braindead players around. Then the flop is 28Q, giving me a 95% lead. I do not have to tell you what the turn and the river were. And to make it more sweet: if I had folded preflop, I would have won that ticket, since there was AA vs KK at another table.
So obviously I am a bit upset afterwards; especially since this has officially been my worst day ever (not money-wise, but variance-wise).

tl;dr - but here goes:

In such a situation, many recreational players will just make another deposit, and play cash games because "luck owes" them. This extra money would not be around, circulating to be raked a few times without that bad beat.

So again - is there any chance that a site can get away with dealing additional random bad beats?

(This is my last attempt btw; I was just wondering if anyone reads the posts in this thread.)
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:23 PM   #13004
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Josem, do you even play? I mean, yeah, I know your whole story from TV and that whole superuser scandal and yada yada yada... but do you play???
Very little these days. OTOH, I want to play more MTTs with a view to probably playing in some WSOP events in June.

I host a little home game most Friday nights with guys from work, and if anyone from this thread is ever in Sydney on a Friday night and wants to come, let me know.
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:30 PM   #13005
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Just splashing around today on the smallest stakes and the action is out of control.

I have played 74 hands and have seen AA 6 times.

This again does not at all feel like a live game.

See it is not that this one event of seeing this many pocket Aces, it is the fact that it follows session after session like I have had these past couple of weeks.

They are all at the limits of what I expect.

Like if all this stuff happened in the same manner at my brick and mortar games, people would get tired of saying "wow what a cooler" or "Aces AGAIN?".

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Old 02-04-2010, 05:38 PM   #13006
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Correct. I even said that before and after. Your replies were not too bad, certainly a much better effort than this Kiwi guy, so props to that.


One of you should help that riggie now though with his hand histories, that would be fun to watch as well.

Anyway, off to play. Have fun ladies.


All the best.
Oh ty for the complement. Coming form someone with such extensive burn skills and a big high stakes bankroll ill cherish it forever.

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Old 02-04-2010, 05:44 PM   #13007
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Oh ty for the complement. Coming form someone with such extensive burn skills and a big high stakes bankroll ill will cherish it forever.
No problem. Glad to make your day, and apparently life as well, for you.


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Old 02-04-2010, 05:50 PM   #13008
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I have played 74 hands and have seen AA 6 times.

This again does not at all feel like a live game.

See it is not that this one event of seeing this many pocket Aces
seen in whole table, yes? is this very big many amount, I am not knowing? please to be showing the odds kind sir, so all know the extend the dogs do cheat

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Old 02-04-2010, 06:28 PM   #13009
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So again - is there any chance that a site can get away with dealing additional random bad beats?

(This is my last attempt btw; I was just wondering if anyone reads the posts in this thread.)
Probably people are not responding because this has been asked and answered so many many many times in this thread, even in the last few pages probably. I know its a long thread but reading through the whole thing or a good chunk of it will answer lots of questions.

Someone like Spadebidder can answer it better but if you are changing the distributioin of cards to give certain people bad beats it will show up over a significant sample. It is impossible not to. Even if its being spread around. 2 outers should only come in X percentage of time, I suspect spade will confirm that if a site is significantly altering how often 2 outers come through it will show up in the stats like a beacon.

Do yourself a favour, read the last half or quarter of the thread, there is so much good information there between the insults.
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Old 02-04-2010, 06:40 PM   #13010
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seen in whole table, yes? is this very big many amount, I am not knowing? please to be showing the odds kind sir, so all know the extend the dogs do cheat
odds he got AA at least 6 times himself in 74 hands is 818535/1

I'm not sure of the odds of someone getting aa at a 9man table, but I think it's about 5%.

i.e. he should expect to see AA at least 6 times 1/6 times in 74 hands
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Old 02-04-2010, 06:52 PM   #13011
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So I just finished a 20 minute session on AP playing the 100 NL cash game. Yes, thats right, 20 minutes. 3 buyins and 3 coolers to the same guy. First hand I have 99, flop comes 3 9 T. He bets, I raise, he shoves, I call, he shows TT. Set versus set. Minutes later I have 56 in the bb. Flop comes 4 7 8 rainbow. Same betting sequence as before, he shows 56c and hits runner runner flush. Nice, flop the nuts and lose. Then comes the clincher. I have A4 in the bb, he makes standard raise. Flop comes 44A. He bets, I raise, he shoves, I snap call....he shows 99 and I watch in horror as a 9 falls on the turn. I fully understand variance and all that, but seriously, this is just sick. Bad play and donking off your stack is one thing, but to constantly run into coolers like this in such a short period of time has me thinking I am fighting an uphill battle.
Check my PTR from my last session. Aces, Kings then Queens on dry boards. I 3 bet pre flop on each hand and get flat called each time. No overs come, no draws, very, very dry boards. Each time Villian flops set with underpair and I manage to do a buy in each time.

Then I flop a set of 2s on a A 2 3 flop. You guessed it villian has 45. Bye bye buy in.

This is one of my sessions last night.. Same thing happens to everybody, it is called variance and is normal. There's no-one conspiring against you and nobody has rigged your account. You just have to learn to deal with the swings a bit better. If you really can't deal with a few coolers back to back occassionally you should stop playing poker for a while and read some poker books and theory to understand the game a bit better
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Old 02-04-2010, 06:56 PM   #13012
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Focus if you would; stop the usual bs of this thread.

The question is:
Oooh, Bart has a question...everyone stop!

Actually, part of the reason you're not getting an answer is because it's been discussed ad nauseam already. One might actually argue that your post was the usual BS of this thread.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:07 PM   #13013
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Sorry I was not specific enough.

I had gotten them three times and one other person got them twice and then one other person got them once.

Here is was an action hand during this session:

AdKs (me) vs JdJc vs AsAh
Button got JJ and raised which looked to maybe pot commit himself with small stack, I called in SB as so did the BB. Flop came 3dKd4h. I checked in SB to setup for a check raise and get button to dump his stack in, BB checked too for which I am not sure and button went all in, I insta-called and the BB reraised all in and I insta-called as well.

Sick that JJ ran ran into AA since it is a 2.92% probablity that the blinds have stronger preflop hands in his position. I wonder what the chance that after I flop tptk I was up against AA.

All of this was on short handed tables.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:12 PM   #13014
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You realise that so-called 'action hands' actually reduce the money earned by poker sites by generating larger pots and increasing variance?
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:15 PM   #13015
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Very little these days. OTOH, I want to play more MTTs with a view to probably playing in some WSOP events in June.

I host a little home game most Friday nights with guys from work, and if anyone from this thread is ever in Sydney on a Friday night and wants to come, let me know.
I've never been down under, but I'd play with ya and shake your hand. I hope you understand I was just having a bit of Monteroy mockery fun when I asked if you play. I've got the utmost respect for you.

And, Monteroy, don't get pissy about me mocking you. Mockery is the sincerest form of flattery. Isn't that how the saying goes?
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:17 PM   #13016
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Oooh, Bart has a question...everyone stop!

Actually, part of the reason you're not getting an answer is because it's been discussed ad nauseam already. One might actually argue that your post was the usual BS of this thread.
Thank you. This was actually a trap, and I wanted exactly this response from you or another marquee name.

Because my real question is this - why do you keep this thread open? Do you realize that everyone posting in this thread is a 2p2 member? And by keeping this thread open, you make fun of them. There is so much wrong with 2p2, and keeping this thread open is one of the worst offenses, right up there with having a forum for Religion.

Cliff notes: by leaving this thread open you mock your own members. WP.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:17 PM   #13017
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Like if all this stuff happened in the same manner at my brick and mortar games, people would get tired of saying "wow what a cooler" or "Aces AGAIN?".
This happened to me like my second time ever playing live poker. I had AA twice within 3 hands. And it got that exact remark... "Aces AGAIN?"
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:19 PM   #13018
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arcticbeatle,

I totally respect your play and you have gotten me to rethink my suspicions on a possible rigged game.

You kinda opened my eyes to the possiblity that I may be naive to the extreme swings of the game in general.

You seem a little harsh at times reading some of your posts but it is hard to determine someone's tone reading just straight text.

I had also started with 30$ on another site and ramped that up to just over 300$ playing the small stakes just as you are right now.

I am excited to see how you do in the next few stake levels.

~Cheers
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:20 PM   #13019
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Thank you. This was actually a trap, and I wanted exactly this response from you or another marquee name.

Because my real question is this - why do you keep this thread open? Do you realize that everyone posting in this thread is a 2p2 member? And by keeping this thread open, you make fun of them. There is so much wrong with 2p2, and keeping this thread open is one of the worst offenses, right up there with having a forum for Religion.

Cliff notes: by leaving this thread open you mock your own members. WP.
This is a containment thread. Instead of having a million rigged threads cramming up the forum, there is this thread where all those threads can be moved. It's kind of like a dump for crappy threads. It definitely should not be closed.

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Old 02-04-2010, 07:23 PM   #13020
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Thank you. This was actually a trap, and I wanted exactly this response from you or another marquee name.

Because my real question is this - why do you keep this thread open? Do you realize that everyone posting in this thread is a 2p2 member? And by keeping this thread open, you make fun of them. There is so much wrong with 2p2, and keeping this thread open is one of the worst offenses, right up there with having a forum for Religion.

Cliff notes: by leaving this thread open you mock your own members. WP.

This is by far the most awesome post of the day (if genuine) on many, many levels. Hell, it is the best even if it is an extra fancy play double level.

I suggest you might want to avoid BBV4Life, but the health and fitness and travel forums are nice. Some people post pretty pictures.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:24 PM   #13021
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This is a containment thread. Instead of having a million rigged threads cramming up the forum, there is this thread where all those threads can be moved. It's kind of like a dump for crappy threads. It definitely should not be closed.
That is nonsense. If you can move them, you can erase them. Make a Sticky saying that "rigged!"-threads without extensive statistics are forbidden, and done.

This thread is making fun of 2p2's own members. Self-ownage.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:25 PM   #13022
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Slowplay posts ITT
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:26 PM   #13023
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I suggest you might want to avoid BBV4Life
I choose to believe that BBV4Life is just a figment of my imagination; after all, the leading poker forum cannot possibly have a subforum that deals with "how often do you poop".

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Old 02-04-2010, 07:28 PM   #13024
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I choose to believe that BBV4Life is just a figment of my imagination; after all, the leading poker forum cannot possibly have a subforum that deals with "how often do you poop".
I think thats more of an OOT thread.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:29 PM   #13025
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arcticbeatle,

I totally respect your play and you have gotten me to rethink my suspicions on a possible rigged game.

You kinda opened my eyes to the possiblity that I may be naive to the extreme swings of the game in general.

You seem a little harsh at times reading some of your posts but it is hard to determine someone's tone reading just straight text.

I had also started with 30$ on another site and ramped that up to just over 300$ playing the small stakes just as you are right now.

I am excited to see how you do in the next few stake levels.

~Cheers
Thanks mate. I don't mean to come across harsh but I am just really passionate about poker and will defend it against anybody. When I say things like "rigtard" and all the rest of it, I say it more out of frustration. It's not personal, just me being childish ( which I love doing )
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