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Old 02-03-2010, 10:52 PM   #12926
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shills,props, owners, need not reply to this post.only those that have been victom's of the big stack rig that is always present on Party Poker on all their game even on their freeroll tournaments.I believe, on free roll tournaments, if you do not have any money in your account you are "dead meat". Also if you have a bonus working you are "dead meat until its gone. OK victoms what do you think
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still not ansering the "big stack"win with anything rig.

- Shove the first hand in a tournament to be the big stack at your table even if you just steal the blinds

- Play a ton when they have reload bonuses without depositing for the bonus yourself.

In both cases you will create impossible to lose situations from you according to your beliefs

Break away from the riggie code and have the courage to act based on your beliefs.

Make millions.

Send me a cut.

Good luck in your freerolls.

All the best.
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:19 PM   #12927
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So if i had solid proof online poker was rigged. But i couldn't show a HH above $10 and i wouldn't disclose my username that wouldn't impress you?

What will impress me with regards to poker being rigged is if a riggedfolk shows me proof its rigged. All of what impresses you is irrelevant to proving if online poker is rigged or not and has more to do with penis measurements.
If you had solid proof that was verifiable I would be the first to hold you up as a beacon of significant importance in this industry regardless of what games, if any, you actually play.

The reality is that most riggies whine about bad beats in freerolls or micro tourneys and create rigged theories to vent/explain their losses with zero proof of anything.


The fact that the vast bulk of riggies fit in this category instead of say the $1/2 NL grinders is not an accident. Think about it.
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:25 PM   #12928
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If you had solid proof that was verifiable I would be the first to hold you up as a beacon of significant importance in this industry regardless of what games, if any, you actually play.

The reality is that most riggies whine about bad beats in freerolls or micro tourneys and create rigged theories to vent/explain their losses with zero proof of anything.


The fact that the vast bulk of riggies fit in this category instead of say the $1/2 NL grinders is not an accident. Think about it.
Everything you said in this post is 100% true. Not one rigtard could post a winning graph on here.

Ahhh rigtards.. Always trying to look for an excuse or blaming something else, so they don't have to face the harsh, cold reailty that they are not as good as winning poker players. And with the "rigtard" attitude they never will be either.

I would honestly say some of the rigtards on here are bordering on being completely delusional about what's actually going on. I have never seen anything like it
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:30 PM   #12929
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If you had solid proof that was verifiable I would be the first to hold you up as a beacon of significant importance in this industry regardless of what games, if any, you actually play.
Right, so all that you keep asking for is pointless. Transparency makes no difference if someone gives proof poker is rigged, what stakes people play makes no difference if someone gives proof poker is rigged.

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The reality is that most riggies whine about bad beats in freerolls or micro tourneys and create rigged theories to vent/explain their losses with zero proof of anything.


The fact that the vast bulk of riggies fit in this category instead of say the $1/2 NL grinders is not an accident. Think about it.
I dont really have to think about that much it's obvious. Low stakes bad players think online poker is rigged more than wining higher stakes players.

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Old 02-03-2010, 11:32 PM   #12930
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Everything you said in this post is 100% true. Not one rigtard could post a winning graph on here.
Actually if you read the thread form the beginning and have been on 2p2 a while there have been a couple. Not that it makes a difference.
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:40 PM   #12931
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Right, so all that you keep asking for is pointless. Transparency makes no difference if someone gives proof poker is rigged, what stakes people play makes no difference if someone gives poker is rigged.

What it offers though is how serious the claims should be taken. Many riggies get upset that they are mocked and dismissed, but the fact that nearly all riggies are non-transprarent micro stakes players complaining about standard variance and bad beats is one of the biggest things working against their actual argument.

My point is that if any of them at least showed they were semi-serious players with consistent relatively decent long term results, that would at least give a voice that would be a bit worth listening to a bit more for their cause.

That's why I said what I said.


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I dont really have to think about that much it's obvious. Low stakes bad players think online poker is rigged more than wining higher stakes players.
Yup, so maybe if the riggies take my advice a find a player among them that is not a losing microstakes/freeroller then they can at least champion him in this thread as a beacon of hope for their cause.

Don't you see - I am trying to help the riggies.
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:43 PM   #12932
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winning players at high stakes are not tinkered with on party poker because these players would not tolerate it.ahigh stakes player going against Party poker would cost the site enormous amounts of lost business. They can choose who wins a small stakes because they dont lose anything when a small stakes player blows the whisle
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:52 PM   #12933
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winning players at high stakes are not tinkered with on party poker because these players would not tolerate it.ahigh stakes player going against Party poker would cost the site enormous amounts of lost business. They can choose who wins a small stakes because they dont lose anything when a small stakes player blows the whisle

I don't know much about the numbers of Party but wouldn't they have a trillion more micro and small stakes players and tables than high stakes players? I thought they would be making more money from micros and small stakes than the higher stakes?
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:56 PM   #12934
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winning players at high stakes are not tinkered with on party poker because these players would not tolerate it.ahigh stakes player going against Party poker would cost the site enormous amounts of lost business. They can choose who wins a small stakes because they dont lose anything when a small stakes player blows the whisle
So how did the high stakes players avoid this doomswitch when they were small stakes players?
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:57 PM   #12935
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Yup, so maybe if the riggies take my advice a find a player among them that is not a losing microstakes/freeroller then they can at least champion him in this thread as a beacon of hope for their cause.

Don't you see - I am trying to help the riggies.
The real problem with finding someone that matches the above criteria is that anyone who is a winning player, would likely not get far enough past their own ego to think that the game is rigged. Or, they have exploited the "riggedness" to tilt the game in their favor and wouldn't dream of sharing this exploit with others.

So, I think by definition, riggies will always be losing microstakes/freerollers or people who have simply stopped playing online poker altogether because it's just too -EV for them.

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Old 02-03-2010, 11:59 PM   #12936
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Im not talking about rake. Im talking about advertising. The rise of poker today comes from the advertising big skilled players on tv give off. Little people get sucked in watching the big money.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:00 AM   #12937
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So how did the high stakes players avoid this doomswitch when they were small stakes players?
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:01 AM   #12938
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the big time players were never small stakes players.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:11 AM   #12939
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the big time players were never small stakes players.
O RLY?

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In March 2004 at the age of 17, Dwan began playing online poker at Paradise Poker with a $50 bankroll his father had given him for his 17th birthday. He believed the alias durrrr would put players on tilt if they lost to him. Dwan initially focused on $6 sit-and-go's and ended up losing $35. With his last $15 he continued to focus on these sit-and-gos until he was able to turn profit. After finding he could beat these games he turned to cash games where he built his bankroll starting at low stakes and slowly climbed his way to largest games found online. After beating multiplayer cash games Dwan switched his focus to playing heads up No Limit hold 'em with other professionals such as Frederick Halling at the 10/20 stakes. He challenged Prahlad Friedman at the 25/50 stakes and lost to him for several months forcing him to drop to lower stakes before coming back again and again until he was able to beat Friedman.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:15 AM   #12940
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:22 AM   #12941
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Im sure there are isolated cases. Those were the days when online was reletively honest.I had an account on party the day they ist spread 10-20 limit. At that time a barrage of hacks were on chats and forums spewing how crooked Paradise was. Party grew from there to ist in the world. Now prty has a heavy load of competion. And I stand by my belief big stacks are the ones chosen to win on party
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:25 AM   #12942
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What it offers though is how serious the claims should be taken.
The only thing that matters when it comes to the seriousness of the claims is proof.

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Many riggies get upset that they are mocked and dismissed, but the fact that nearly all riggies are non-transprarent micro stakes players complaining about standard variance and bad beats is one of the biggest things working against their actual argument.
Not having proof is whats working against their accusations.

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My point is that if any of them at least showed they were semi-serious players with consistent relatively decent long term results, that would at least give a voice that would be a bit worth listening to a bit more for their cause.

That's why I said what I said.
They might be taken more seriously by some (not me) but without proof they wouldn't be worth listening to and they would be dismissed.

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Yup, so maybe if the riggies take my advice a find a player among them that is not a losing microstakes/freeroller then they can at least champion him in this thread as a beacon of hope for their cause.
Their champion would go down in flames without proof.

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Don't you see - I am trying to help the riggies.
No i dont see that, but if you think your helping do it to it.

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Old 02-04-2010, 12:25 AM   #12943
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Im sure there are isolated cases. Those were the days when online was reletively honest.I had an account on party the day they ist spread 10-20 limit. At that time a barrage of hacks were on chats and forums spewing how crooked Paradise was. Party grew from there to ist in the world. Now prty has a heavy load of competion. And I stand by my belief big stacks are the ones chosen to win on party
Lol, please man....
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:35 AM   #12944
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Im sure there are isolated cases. Those were the days when online was reletively honest.I had an account on party the day they ist spread 10-20 limit. At that time a barrage of hacks were on chats and forums spewing how crooked Paradise was. Party grew from there to ist in the world. Now prty has a heavy load of competion. And I stand by my belief big stacks are the ones chosen to win on party
Just so I'm clear, what are your beliefs based on? Patterns you see with your mind?
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:43 AM   #12945
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Just so I'm clear, what are your beliefs based on? Patterns you see with your mind?
no.patterns I have expierinced day after day.You know, all I hear here are naysayers. I guess the players who do know party chooses thier winners just know and dont want to put up with insults so they dont post.
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no.patterns I have expierinced day after day.You know, all I hear here are naysayers. I guess the players who do know party chooses thier winners just know and dont want to put up with insults so they dont post.
Excellent. Let's see those hand histories and get Party shut down!
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:47 AM   #12947
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no.patterns I have expierinced day after day.You know, all I hear here are naysayers. I guess the players who do know party chooses thier winners just know and dont want to put up with insults so they dont post.
So if these patterns you've experienced exist, as you seem sure of, follow Monteroy's advice and just always have slightly bigger stack than everyone else at your table and ship-a-dip-dip the cheddar.

Passing up on a guaranteed to win system is borderline ******ed iyam.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:50 AM   #12948
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Excellent. Let's see those hand histories and get Party shut down!
do you think you could , maybe add something constructive rather than sarcastic.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:52 AM   #12949
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The only thing that matters when it comes to the seriousness of the claims is proof.
Really? You will find guys on the street corners who are dead serious about the world ending, many of whom have very detailed beliefs on that regard.

How much do you listen to him?


Now what if 10 of the leading scientists in the world came out with a similar claim?


The messenger is often times a key component about how significant the message is.

Thus, I suggest to riggies that they find someone that can be taken more seriously.




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Not having proof is whats working against their accusations.
Well, obviously that is a major component as well, but the reality is they will never have actual proof, so I am trying to at least help them with how they present their message.



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They might be taken more seriously by some (not me) but without proof they wouldn't be worth listening to and they would be dismissed.
Of course they would not be taken seriously without proof, but at least they could hold up someone who is not a paranoid guy claiming "big stacks win too much" while losing in freerolls as their poster boy for a change.

Again, I am just trying to help riggies improve their image.



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Their champion would go down in flames without proof.
Obviously, but at least they could have a guy who was upset at losing more than a meal at McDonalds costs for a change. That might give them some hope, and riggies can use hope.



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No i dont see that, but if you think your helping do it to it.
Are you suggesting my help is not entirely genuine? Congrats for finally getting there.


All the best.



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So if these patterns you've experienced exist, as you seem sure of, follow Monteroy's advice and just always have slightly bigger stack than everyone else at your table and ship-a-dip-dip the cheddar.

Passing up on a guaranteed to win system is borderline ******ed iyam.
Feel free to ship part of my consulting fee to otatop for backing my advice how you can make millions using your system if it is real.
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Old 02-04-2010, 01:16 AM   #12950
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Really? You will find guys on the street corners who are dead serious about the world ending, many of whom have very detailed beliefs on that regard.

How much do you listen to him?


Now what if 10 of the leading scientists in the world came out with a similar claim?


The messenger is often times a key component about how significant the message is.

Thus, I suggest to riggies that they find someone that can be taken more seriously.
Without proof i would take them about the same. But scientists wouldn't come out with the claim without proof so your point is kind of pointless.

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Well, obviously that is a major component as well, but the reality is they will never have actual proof, so I am trying to at least help them with how they present their message.
Proof is the only component.

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Of course they would not be taken seriously without proof, but at least they could hold up someone who is not a paranoid guy claiming "big stacks win too much" while losing in freerolls as their poster boy for a change.

Again, I am just trying to help riggies improve their image.
Image makes no difference proof does. If a rigged folk came to the table and showed his winning stats his message would make no difference without proof.

Winning players have come out time to time on 2p2 and said they think its rigged. I take them about as seriously as the micro donks and figure they are just running bad.

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]Obviously, but at least they could have a guy who was upset at losing more than a meal at McDonalds costs for a change. That might give them some hope, and riggies can use hope.
You really do hate the micro players.

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Are you suggesting my help is not entirely genuine? Congrats for finally getting there.


All the best.
I was already there in my first post when i said you were more interested in measuring penis sizes then anything else with your transparency shtick.

Not that im really here to help em i just like cheese.

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