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Old 01-18-2010, 11:33 PM   #12301
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How would this be? If I win, you don’t have to pay me. You can donate $50.00 to the “Haiti Fund” through PStars. If this feels like a scam to you, at least it benefits a good cause.
For some reason, I have a feeling Monteroy's not looking for an escrow because he's worried you won't get paid if you win.
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I wonder how much money an employee for a site could make by accidently leaking a daily updated code.......
I wonder how this could make sense in the mind of anyone who isn't a paranoid lunatic......

I think Indiana's even said that his bots are marginal winners at best, hardly seems worth the risk to win .5bb/100 or whatever, even if "they" had hundreds of bots.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:48 AM   #12302
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Of course this is a delusional belief.

It is based on the belief that a major site would alter the game of a $33 (as if that is a major amount) tournament, in which they already received their rake to somehow deprive specifically you of a hand win.

It is a classic case of delusions of grandeur. The reality is the site could not care if you won or lost a hand in a tournament, and that reality is a much colder one than yours which has you at the center of their universe as well. You are not that important. Nobody is.
Of course they are. These sites know that if they keep any poor player around down the road it pays off. You keep trying to forget the fact that if a site lets good play hold up they would have probably half the players playing. A huge loss in profits. It's beneficial to the site to have the poor players winning long term. That is the goal. To build up as many viable players while their hardware is safe from inspection. To dodge any regulation and keep players to a maximum. To do this they adjust outcomes of players that constantly make bad decisions.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:54 AM   #12303
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Of course they are. These sites know that if they keep any poor player around down the road it pays off. You keep trying to forget the fact that if a site lets good play hold up they would have probably half the players playing. A huge loss in profits. It's beneficial to the site to have the poor players winning long term. That is the goal. To build up as many viable players while their hardware is safe from inspection. To dodge any regulation and keep players to a maximum. To do this they adjust outcomes of players that constantly make bad decisions.
Hey BOP, just wondering, what do you think of Spadebidder's study results so far?
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:58 AM   #12304
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You keep trying to forget the fact that if a site lets good play hold up they would have probably half the players playing. A huge loss in profits. It's beneficial to the site to have the poor players winning long term. That is the goal. To build up as many viable players while their hardware is safe from inspection. To dodge any regulation and keep players to a maximum. To do this they adjust outcomes of players that constantly make bad decisions.
How do live casinos manage to turn a profit without protecting the bad players?
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:11 AM   #12305
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What the hell IS SPR?
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:40 AM   #12306
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BOP, your avatar sucks. The kid in the image is clearly saying "That's what I said." Where/how did you become fixated on a kid screaming at a camera saying "That's what I said?"

Now sites are rigging it for the bad players? To keep them playing? What? You must be a losing player, but in your case..You must be a losing player who is getting help from the sites!
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:31 AM   #12307
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the way you guys jump in here so quickly and violently to defend online poker is just another red flag.
or it is simply an indication of how f-ing ******ed most rigtard posts are...

seriously, you are suggesting that for example PS started an auditing front company in 1981 AND have infiltrated the IOM government...?

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What If...

- A big online site employed progamming that adjusted to players tendencies to maximize their bottom line based on historicals and behavioural patterns. The programming could be intricate and evasive so that it would be very difficult to show manipulation in the hand histories.
IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN THE RIGGING WOULD BE VERY SUBTLE AND HAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ENOUGH CONTRIBUTED TO YOUR DOWNSWING FOR YOU TO NOTICE IT.

This is why people jump in here so quickly to argue against any rigging theories, because they rarely if ever make any logic sense.



What if...

it's just completely legit?

I'm not saying it is, but it COULD be, right?

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Old 01-19-2010, 09:01 AM   #12308
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What if...

it's just completely legit?

I'm not saying it is, but it COULD be, right?
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Old 01-19-2010, 09:25 AM   #12309
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(.. shouldn't require an extra thread.. or perhaps someone can point me to an existing thread that covers my question):

Is it true that on the Cake Poker network, a player can change their SN? How often?

And what are your thoughts on this??


Can I get an answer here? Please
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Old 01-19-2010, 09:36 AM   #12310
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Yes you can change your SN every 7 days on the Cake Network.
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Old 01-19-2010, 09:40 AM   #12311
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Full Tilt Rush Poker. Just imagine if other sites catch on. The rigging that could take place. lol
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Old 01-19-2010, 09:55 AM   #12312
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Have you seen the thread "Does the doomswitch really exist?" They have an interesting screenshot.
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Old 01-19-2010, 10:18 AM   #12313
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So basically, you proposed a bet you didn't think anyone would take. Then when someone took it with very reasonable rules (which anyone with half a brain would understand) you back out of it. Pretty weak imo.



Seriously. What is your problem with an escrow? It makes no sense to not use one. Especially considering you have already proven yourself to be a flip-flopper in this thread.
I don't think I've proven anything. I had no idea whether anybody would accept the bet, and I was a little nervous that they might take it and I would lose. However, there is not a level of trust established, so no prop.

Many posters think that the chance of rigging is almost zero, certainly less than 5%, and anybody who suggests otherwise is flamed as a rigtard and fool. I think the chance of rigging is a lot higher but don't have any good idea of what the chance is. So I choose 50% until I have better evidence.

The prop is mostly just for fun and to keep my interest alive. Call it degen if you like.

I'm not asking anybody to post anything. But maybe the same prop would be interesting if the loser makes a donation to the "Haiti Fund." If the loser doesn't follow through, that would be easy to verify. Then, we could rag on that for a while.
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Old 01-19-2010, 10:32 AM   #12314
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I don't think I've proven anything. I had no idea whether anybody would accept the bet, and I was a little nervous that they might take it and I would lose. However, there is not a level of trust established, so no prop.
You are completely transparent.

We all knew from the outset that there was no way you would proceed with this bet in any way that meant that someone taking you on would get paid off.

It was obvious that it was just so much hot air and puerile bravado and that's exactly what it's turned out to be.

Truly pathetic.
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Old 01-19-2010, 11:29 AM   #12315
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I have a shocking update for this thread, I think this is home video shot of QPW meeting w/ Online Poker Executives or software developers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4zU_s6DYR8
IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT!
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Old 01-19-2010, 11:59 AM   #12316
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Hey Pokerprolv:

What do you think about spadebidder's results so far?

Just wondering.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:45 PM   #12317
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Yes you can change your SN every 7 days on the Cake Network.
Thanks for the reply bro. I might give em a shot. I like that idea very much (of being able to change your SN).
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:50 PM   #12318
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Thanks for the reply bro. I might give em a shot. I like that idea very much (of being able to change your SN).
I think I'm going to switch over to sugar free redbull. I like Redbull very much,(being able to get that much Posting power with no sugar)
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:53 PM   #12319
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I think I'm going to switch over to sugar free redbull. I like Redbull very much,(being able to get that much Posting power with no sugar)
I think you're trolling here, but if you are not: I've stayed away from those redbull-like drinks because of the massive amounts of sugar: do the non-sugar varieties actually give an energy boost? Do they work better than coffee?

Sorry for the hijack!
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:03 PM   #12320
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I think you're trolling here, but if you are not: I've stayed away from those redbull-like drinks because of the massive amounts of sugar: do the non-sugar varieties actually give an energy boost? Do they work better than coffee?

Sorry for the hijack!
I know I'll stop after this post. I had to write something as random as LV. What is the def. of "trolling"?

Same here, I switched to Sugar free and there is virtually no crash.

"Coffee makes me a might nervous, hmmm hmmm"

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Old 01-19-2010, 01:29 PM   #12321
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You are completely transparent.

We all knew from the outset that there was no way you would proceed with this bet in any way that meant that someone taking you on would get paid off.

It was obvious that it was just so much hot air and puerile bravado and that's exactly what it's turned out to be.

Truly pathetic.
You "all knew" just like you all know it's not rigged.
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:41 PM   #12322
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You "all knew" just like you all know it's not rigged.
Nope.

We knew that you would not go through with the bet in a way that meant anyone would get paid off.

We merely feel there is no credible evidence that online poker is not rigged so assume it's probably not.

Can you understand the difference?
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:41 PM   #12323
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You are completely transparent.

We all knew from the outset that there was no way you would proceed with this bet in any way that meant that someone taking you on would get paid off.

It was obvious that it was just so much hot air and puerile bravado and that's exactly what it's turned out to be.

Truly pathetic.
Obviously there is the issue of trust here. What if you take a look at my Jan 14 post and I send you proof that backs up what I said there? And then I send proof for the Jan 15-19 period? And you have no risk. I am not suggesting I have proof of rigging, just that I haven't made up any numbers.

I can even send the HH to a trusted 3rd party. spadebidder would be fine with me here.
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Nope.

We knew that you would not go through with the bet in a way that meant anyone would get paid off.

We merely feel there is no credible evidence that online poker is not rigged so assume it's probably not.

Can you understand the difference?
What you really know is that you have an opinion and not a lot of tolerance for others.
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:49 PM   #12325
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What you really know is that you have an opinion and not a lot of tolerance for others.
I have plenty of tolerance for others.

But 'tards need to be dealt with or they breed.
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