you lose 20% of the time when you're an 80% favorite.

if you contend otherwise, please provide data to back that claim up.

you're a bad player and a ****** for not understanding that.

I lose 20 percent of the time?! Where did you get that fact? Marc honest question. Does a particular online poker site employ you to write on this site? Or have you ever been contacted by a poker site or the Admin's. at two plust two to write in these threads to "debunk" these theories?

When the super user thing came out, all of you "debunkers" said that they were rigtards and it's impossible to see other people's hole cards....So what are you talking about? If it wasn't for Josem, nobody would know the truth...we'd all be rigtards

It's not that hard - 100% - 80% = 20%.

Again, if you claim that not to be the case, PROVIDE PROOF OR STFU!!!!!!
First, why would you think my name is "Marc?" It's Mark.

Next, no, I am not employed by any site to post here or anywhere else, nor have the administrators asked me to do such a thing.

I just have a low tolerance for idiocy.

So you think it's rigged? Well, you're entitled to your opinion. However, this is the INTERNET POKER FORUM. You know, where people who like to play Online Poker discuss stuff. If you don't enjoy this activity, WHY THE **** ARE YOU HERE SO MUCH????!?!?!?!?! It makes as much sense as getting season tickets to see your least favorite sports team!

You obviously have some sort of an agenda to push, or you wouldn't keep bothering us with your unsubstantiated claims. Really, what is the point of your continued speculation on this issue? Because that's all it is - a hunch. We get your point, and disagree. Please let it go.

I don't know what's sadder, the fact you genuinely seem to believe that poker sites are out to get you or that you don't understand why we're fed up with your conspiracy theories that have absolutely no basis in fact.

So, I'll ask once again: Please post proof that your 80% favorites are losing more than 20% or shut up about it. You can certainly exercise your right to NOT play poker online, but there's no reason to tell us about it. Just leave quietly or accept the abuse that you regularly ask for every time you 'tard up this place
link please? or is this just another theory?

So it turned out some of the rigtards weren't actually rigtards, but that probably doesn't actually include you.

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So you say "we"? "Really, what is the point of your continued speculation on this issue? Because that's all it is - a hunch. We get your point, and disagree. Please let it go."
Who is we? All i've seen is that you guys talk down to people that say it's rigged. You guys must of had conversations about the subject with out the rest of us seeing? How and where did you come up with "we." And like you said there's no proof it's rigged and there's no proof that it's not rigged. Well it's about the players security! You can't put a price on safety. If I have some evidence show it? If somebody did have proof you'd just rip them down and try to decredit them to the readers. This is a cat and mouse game here, Somebody says it's rigged, then you have to negate that by ripping the author apart so that:
A.) He feels as if he made a mistake by writing online poker is rigged.

B.) The readers that read such posts, might take him as gospel and pull their funds off online poker sites and never play online again.

C.) Make the author feel like he is alone on his stance on online poker being rigged. Maybe he'll forget about it.

D.) Ask him to prove something that only certain online poker site employees can prove.

F.) Make sure nobody believes online poker is rigged, b/c nobody would play!

G.) Tell us if we think it's rigged we just shouldnt play and leave everybody alone and not share why. Let our fellow citizens get robbed and mind our own business.

The conspiracy theory thought structure is the same for each scenario. Fuzzy, vague "data" and conclusions based on that and things they know in their gut to be true.



Speak to any UFO nut or 9/11 nut or any conspiracy nut and this will be the foundation of their beliefs. They know the secret hidden truth that the rest of us naive fools do not.

"we" are the regular posters in the Internet Poker Forum.
what is so hard about this concept? until there is proof of a crime there is no prosecution!!!!
no, it's about an excuse for your poor play. if you think online sites are stealing from players, SIMPLY DON'T PLAY. That's it.
humor me and bring some, then you can make that assumption about what I'll do.
Look man, no one asked for your help nor are they accepting it either. If you want to do good deeds for your fellow citizens, try the local soup kitchen.

The idea that you are a hero of some sort helping out innocent victims is laughable. Do you post in Real Estate Fraud Forums too?

Again, based on your speculation about upcoming legislation in the poker industry (without attributed sources...) I feel you have a reason you keep posting here.

That, or you're just a troll who enjoys annoying me and others. If that's the case, contrats - 'cause you succeeded!

http://news.pokerpages.com/index.php...k=view&id=2606


Now all of you read this and tell me what's different between then and now...?

About 18 months.

Good, b/c you don't speak for the online poker community marC. I spell your name wrong b/c i dont take you seriously...cant you post your stats for me...so i can treat you like the pokerlord that you think that you are. The sad thing is you have no idea what my ROI is?

Oh believe us. We do have some idea.

Other then the 18 months why does this guy sounds like you guys...? Anybody want to actually read this and retort? Or should I post some more links...I lost my bank roll today, I went all in w/ powerful pocket 2's, and lost to pocket 3's? He had the perfect hand to crack my 2's...definatly rigged....so i have all day.... (I guess i should add that was sarcasm)
Gimtards....Think i have a gimmick? That's not going to work...think of another motive i might have...?

I've seen this argument several times now, but I've read those threads, which are here:
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...umber=12075548

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...-stolen-99247/

They were taken seriously from the beginning, because there was evidence. The accusers were not mocked, were not called rigtards, and the 2+2 community quickly rallied to investigate it. The ones who get mocked in this forum are those who post unsubstatiated speculation and hunches with complete disregard for evidence and the laws of probability and poker, complete disregard for logic, complete disregard for the occam's razor principle, and complete failure to realize the business reasons why their claims are highly improbable and need strong evidence to substantiate. It's been seen so many times that it's just a joke, and that's why the responses are the way they are. Post some evidence and it will be taken seriously if it warrants it.

Do you honestly think that when someone who is savvy enough to find 2+2 while researching Online Poker before deciding to play or not is swayed by your silly ideas without any proof?

You really think folks read your poorly-written theories and take them as fact when everyone else points out the holes in them, while you continually refuse to share any data to back up your points?
Oh, and here's the difference, people on 2+2 said that Justin West was an idiot for not looking at the evidence:
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...&fpart=16&vc=1

No

I believe that my opinions are more respected than yours.
you spell my name and everything else wrong 'cause you're just plain dumb. another reason no one takes you seriously.
I did once already at your request and when I asked you to return the favor you ignored me.
sadder still is that this isn't a question.

Ya know what? You're a Bottom-of-the-barrel, blaming everyone else for his problems, attention-seeking and just generally annoying ****ing ******.

Can you post proof of any sort there is something fishy going on when you play poker? I'm sure you can't, or you would have by now. Your childish antics have become rather boring, and they were not too good to begin with.

I don't understand what you are hoping to accomplish here. However, the only thing you are proving is you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm certain you've convinced everyone of that point, and nothing else.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...vidence-34560/

You were doing really well up to this point.

You were right on the nose.

Obv his goal is get poker banned because he's a losing player and since he's so amazing at poker it can't be his fault he's losing.

I seriously hope these are not the type of people that get listened when discussing the legality of poker.

In other news, being canadian is fun.

edit: there's a huge difference between potripper and ftp or stars rigging it so we lose. ducy?

No i'm not blaming 2+2...I'm blaming your bias and unreasonable opinion. I think If somebody said a casino was rigged or cheating...they'd call the gaming commission. Not scream and yell in their face telling them they're a rigtard. We have the right to ask. I don't think your credible to anybody but your cronies that join you in your crusade. It's like whats you ultimate goal? It appears to be that of business...not personal. But either way...explain the difference between the links i sent and now?

They have the same gaming commission...?

posting this is an epic failure.

I don't really expect you to understand why, but that's because you're not clever. In fact, you're really not even clever enough to understand the words I've addressed to you, and I'm not gonna dumb it down for you.

Suffice it to say - you are clueless. good luck with your uncomplicated endeavors in the future.

okay this is back to being funny to me again because he's a moron.
continue.