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Old 01-17-2010, 12:46 PM   #12201
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I am not glib.

I looked up troll. THat is not what I am saying.

The rest of this INTERNET slang I dont know. DOnought, turkey?

BUt thank you for whatever help you have provided.

I do not understand most of these cloaked veiled statements. I had some thing I wrote Moved to beginning section. I thought this was right section. May be niot. All apologies.

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Old 01-17-2010, 12:47 PM   #12202
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There is absolutely no bet in place until you agree to send and actually send the money first to a trusted middle person, again I suggest spadebidder (if he is ok with that).
spadebidder on Stars or FTP

If the bet is going to be multiple iterations at 2:1 then I want to be in also, in which case another person should escrow the money. If it's just once then I'll sit out but can handle the money. Verification for transfer on FTP, "w" is first letter of city. I don't know how Stars does it.
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Old 01-17-2010, 01:42 PM   #12203
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Yeah he did, and there is no chance I am going to dig through and find it.




I just assumed he is. He has decent skills in creating troll characters. I just ignore all of his new gimmick accounts, and I wish others did. Shame for him he does not use the same energy to work on his actual poker game, if poker matters to him (who knows, maybe it is all some wacko elaborate level).




Let me make this as simple as possible for you. As long as you send your money to a trusted source first and we have spade analyze the data separate from your handling of it, you can choose any date and time to "start" the bet.

You can also do as many iterations of this bet as you like, I suggest we do it 50 to 100 times.

As I already said, no matter how many times and when you want to do the bet, I have already arranged to arbitrage it with others so that I will win no matter what the results, so seriously the more you want to do these degen bets the better.

There is absolutely no bet in place until you agree to send and actually send the money first to a trusted middle person, again I suggest spadebidder (if he is ok with that). If he is not (which I understand) then we will find another trusted poster here to serve that purpose.

Once you send the money and I send the money , you can pick whatever exact starting time you like, pick one that feels lucky or unlucky, I truly do not care as my win will be locked in already. Do mystic voodoo chants if it helps.

Also, feel free to chase your losses over and over if you lose. I will honor this bet as many times as you like.

How's that?
In your previous post "accepting" the prop, you refer to me as "degen," "moronic,", "zero chance you are trustworthy," "whining," and you sign off calling me "dumbass."

And somewhere in there, you ask "What's the problem here exactly?"

One problem is the start date. You give me the choice, so I choose Jan 15.

Second problem is you place unneccessary conditions on the prop by requiring posting. Obviously, I have to reveal my PStars sn and an email address to you. As stated previously, when the hands are completed, which should happen by the end of Jan 19, I either ship you the HH or I ship you $100. This is well within my bankroll and, from your previous posts, I understand it is a trivial amount to you.

Remember, if I win for the period Jan15-19, the sample size has to be 2000+ hands, I have to send you HH so you can verify my figures, and you don't have to pay if you choose to try again for the period Jan 20-24. Beyond that, I don't propose anything at this time.
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Old 01-17-2010, 01:56 PM   #12204
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Remember, if I win for the period Jan15-19, the sample size has to be 2000+ hands, I have to send you HH so you can verify my figures, and you don't have to pay if you choose to try again for the period Jan 20-24. Beyond that, I don't propose anything at this time.
Obviously any bet has to begin in the future from now. And a third party needs to hold the money. And the HH have to be requested directly from the site, to be sent by email to both parties. I'm just saying what Monty is going to say anyway.
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Old 01-17-2010, 02:12 PM   #12205
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I don't doubt the probability distribution of the deal is non-uniform anymore, and have moved on to how to exploit that in my game. I suspect many of the most successful online players have learned to do that, even if intuitively rather than intentionally.
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Old 01-17-2010, 02:16 PM   #12206
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Obviously any bet has to begin in the future from now. And a third party needs to hold the money. And the HH have to be requested directly from the site, to be sent by email to both parties. I'm just saying what Monty is going to say anyway.
The most interesting thing to me has been that I felt my cards were not breaking even, but I knew I wasn't doing the work I needed to do to reassure myself that PStars is giving me a fair deal.

So starting Jan 10, I began doing the analysis. I know that 2000 hands is a small sample, so I plan to continue for at least 20K hands. So far, my cards are consistently running below breakeven, but hopefully that will change. If it doesn't change, at least I win a prop bet.

PStars is an acceptable third party for me. I have a PStars account and I assume most posters do. My prop does not involve shipping any funds anywhere unless satisfactory proof is provided. If I don't send proof that I won, that will prove that I lost.

I don't know whether this prop will ever play out, but at least I'm not guessing how my cards are running.
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Old 01-17-2010, 02:37 PM   #12207
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After reading some statements. I have seen things that make me think not all of these people play actuall poker.

Without refering to anyone in this section. BUt people have wanted to "FLIP" for a five dollars that was put into an empty account. PLAY CHIPS?

These people are just I assume young and have strong Ideas about something they do not do. Lots of nasty words and hidden slang talk.

ANyways.

People who get more bad beats are going to think something is wrong.

As I said A persons Life is a sample size. YOu can have bad results for years. It would of course cause mental trauma. Those who do not play or who do not have bad results will have no patience as they are seeing the results we all expect to see.

WHen I FLIP a a coin I want to see TAILS 5 out of ten times.

If I see tails 89 out of one hundred my neighbor who sees tails 58 or 47 would say.

ITs going to happen my friend. In the long run it will become 50/50.

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Old 01-17-2010, 02:43 PM   #12208
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The most interesting thing to me has been that I felt my cards were not breaking even, but I knew I wasn't doing the work I needed to do to reassure myself that PStars is giving me a fair deal.
Honestly, nobody truly cares. I just want your degen betting money.

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So starting Jan 10, I began doing the analysis. I know that 2000 hands is a small sample, so I plan to continue for at least 20K hands. So far, my cards are consistently running below breakeven, but hopefully that will change. If it doesn't change, at least I win a prop bet.
See above about the caring part. Your made up stats are not even as fun and exciting as other people's made up stats in this thread.

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PStars is an acceptable third party for me. I have a PStars account and I assume most posters do. My prop does not involve shipping any funds anywhere unless satisfactory proof is provided. If I don't send proof that I won, that will prove that I lost.
I think you are confused about what a third party means. Why we need a third party ( a person who will hold the funds before the bet is done) to do this is for the following reasons:

1) You are completely unknown

2) You are clearly just an emotional degen gambler if you are willing to make the bet you offer



Those conditions are not exactly ideal from my perspective to do a prop bet because the following results will happen

1) You win and at that time you cheer and ask for your money and then tell us your user info

2) You lose and we never hear from you again and I never get my money


This is why NOBODY will ever do any kind of prop bet with you unless they see proof of your funds and know it is in a safe place before the bet takes place. Funny part is, I don't actually think this is an intended scam on your part, I think you just do not get how laughable it would be to do this type of prop bet with a random nobody who will vanish if he loses.

This is why I and others said this was never worth the effort, because all you really wanted to do was whine about your bad luck pretty much, and when routine, valid terms were put on the prop bet (ie: standard ones for prop bets) all of a sudden it is a federal project to have it happen.



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I don't know whether this prop will ever play out, but at least I'm not guessing how my cards are running.
Yeah, pretend others care about your fake stats on how your cards roll. When you are ready to do a proper prop bet with the terms you suggested (which will be never) let us know.
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Old 01-17-2010, 02:51 PM   #12209
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Giblet's whole way off coin flipping thing is awesome, as is the ignoring any posts aside from ones with mild insults or odd idioms.

YOU'RE WELCOME in advance.
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Old 01-17-2010, 02:55 PM   #12210
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WHen I FLIP a a coin I want to see TAILS 5 out of ten times.
Agree 107%.

And, preferably, in the form: HTHTHTHTHT (or, perhaps, THTHTHTHTH).

Otherwise it's quite obviously rigged.

I just don't understand why people can't see this.

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Old 01-17-2010, 03:47 PM   #12211
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Honestly, nobody truly cares. I just want your degen betting money.



See above about the caring part. Your made up stats are not even as fun and exciting as other people's made up stats in this thread.



I think you are confused about what a third party means. Why we need a third party ( a person who will hold the funds before the bet is done) to do this is for the following reasons:

1) You are completely unknown

2) You are clearly just an emotional degen gambler if you are willing to make the bet you offer



Those conditions are not exactly ideal from my perspective to do a prop bet because the following results will happen

1) You win and at that time you cheer and ask for your money and then tell us your user info

2) You lose and we never hear from you again and I never get my money


This is why NOBODY will ever do any kind of prop bet with you unless they see proof of your funds and know it is in a safe place before the bet takes place. Funny part is, I don't actually think this is an intended scam on your part, I think you just do not get how laughable it would be to do this type of prop bet with a random nobody who will vanish if he loses.

This is why I and others said this was never worth the effort, because all you really wanted to do was whine about your bad luck pretty much, and when routine, valid terms were put on the prop bet (ie: standard ones for prop bets) all of a sudden it is a federal project to have it happen.





Yeah, pretend others care about your fake stats on how your cards roll. When you are ready to do a proper prop bet with the terms you suggested (which will be never) let us know.
Why is PStars not an acceptable 3rd party?
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Old 01-17-2010, 03:50 PM   #12212
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Monteroy, do you have a PStars account? Could we exchange that information in a way that would make you comfortable?
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Old 01-17-2010, 03:55 PM   #12213
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Obviously any bet has to begin in the future from now. And a third party needs to hold the money. And the HH have to be requested directly from the site, to be sent by email to both parties. I'm just saying what Monty is going to say anyway.
spadebidder, I need software that makes analyzing my HH easier. You know the kind of numbers I'm interested in. Does PTracker give what I'm looking for? Is there some better software available?
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Old 01-17-2010, 04:06 PM   #12214
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there has been two examples of superuser accounts so far.ergo it is rigged
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Old 01-17-2010, 04:13 PM   #12215
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spadebidder, I need software that makes analyzing my HH easier. You know the kind of numbers I'm interested in. Does PTracker give what I'm looking for? Is there some better software available?
Poker Tracker is all you need.

I use custom software.
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Old 01-17-2010, 04:16 PM   #12216
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Yeah he did, and there is no chance I am going to dig through and find it.
No...I did not create that account and use it to level. I did create the "TheRealBobSmith" account to flush Old Moose out again to irritate you guys. It worked on him, but not you guys. I was caught and locked out right away. I only have the DonkoTheClown account.
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Old 01-17-2010, 04:18 PM   #12217
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Monteroy, do you have a PStars account? Could we exchange that information in a way that would make you comfortable?

Yes, we both put our user names in this thread and then send spadebidder the money in advance of the bet.


This has already been the waste of my time I knew it would be. I am not looking to be your buddy buddy and exchange info in PMs and then hope you honor your debt if you lose because I know you will not.

My user name is Monteroy. I am ready to ship as many increments of $50 as you like to spadebidder (we can do it one at a time per bet or something) once you send $100. Hell, I will send to spade first, because unlike you, I know he will not vanish over 50 bucks. I imagine you would vanish over 2 bucks. I have doubts you even have 50 bucks to be honest.

I am playing MTTs now, so will not read this for a while, and I will not waste any more time on this for such a trivial amount. Either do a proper prop bet or not, your choice. I don't really care any more (never really did obviously).

If you do not say explicitly yes and follow the directions I set then I will assume any answer from you is a no and will not bother to talk about it again, and you can whine about too many low cards on Thursdays and pretend nobody was brave enough to take your bet or whatever you want until the end of time.
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I found the answer to everyone's questions about rigged poker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5S...x=0&playnext=1
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Old 01-17-2010, 05:07 PM   #12219
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Yes, we both put our user names in this thread and then send spadebidder the money in advance of the bet.


This has already been the waste of my time I knew it would be. I am not looking to be your buddy buddy and exchange info in PMs and then hope you honor your debt if you lose because I know you will not.

My user name is Monteroy. I am ready to ship as many increments of $50 as you like to spadebidder (we can do it one at a time per bet or something) once you send $100. Hell, I will send to spade first, because unlike you, I know he will not vanish over 50 bucks. I imagine you would vanish over 2 bucks. I have doubts you even have 50 bucks to be honest.

I am playing MTTs now, so will not read this for a while, and I will not waste any more time on this for such a trivial amount. Either do a proper prop bet or not, your choice. I don't really care any more (never really did obviously).

If you do not say explicitly yes and follow the directions I set then I will assume any answer from you is a no and will not bother to talk about it again, and you can whine about too many low cards on Thursdays and pretend nobody was brave enough to take your bet or whatever you want until the end of time.
Excuse me for not paying close attention to your lengthy and abusive posts.

So what start date do you want?
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Old 01-17-2010, 05:22 PM   #12220
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I think all countries should regulate this stuff. I think it is good that the USA will be following the leadership of countries like the Isle of Man, England and so on in doing this stuff.

FWIW, I think the English regime of evaluating the regulation in other jurisdictions and determining those that are credible and those that are not is probably another key part of any regulation process.
I'm convinced more government regulation/involvement is NOT the answer.

A free market takes care of itself. Caveat emptor, be vigilant and demand good services.

Governement involvement means more losses int the way of taxes, fees etc. I'm already gambling I'd rather play the odds the PS and FTP aren't ripping me off (while keeping an eye on things) then let a government do it for me (in a way I will probably disagree with anyway) and then charge* (some months I have a hard enough time beating the rake) me for services I did not ask for.

If I didn't want to take the chance (which I believe is infinitely small) I wouldn't play online.
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Excuse me for not paying close attention to your lengthy and abusive posts.

So what start date do you want?
Any day you want.

Let me know when you send $100 to spadebidder and post your Stars ID here then we will set a starting time and ask Josem to send the zipped hands of your account to spade, you and me for analysis after 2,000 hands from your set time.

If Josem cannot do that we will see what can be done to ensure the data is handled in a fair way.

Again, we can do this bet , and any type of coin flip bet you want for as many as you want if you do this degen 2-1 thing.

I sold my $50 off for $60 so I make $10 every time a wager happens whether you win or lose, so go crazy.

Post your Stars ID by the way.
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Any day you want.

Let me know when you send $100 to spadebidder and post your Stars ID here then we will set a starting time and ask Josem to send the zipped hands of your account to spade, you and me for analysis after 2,000 hands from your set time.

If Josem cannot do that we will see what can be done to ensure the data is handled in a fair way.

Again, we can do this bet , and any type of coin flip bet you want for as many as you want if you do this degen 2-1 thing.

I sold my $50 off for $60 so I make $10 every time a wager happens whether you win or lose, so go crazy.

Post your Stars ID by the way.
You said early on that you practically never do prop bets. I can see why: you don't accept them, you make counterprops.

That's OK in the prop world. You don't have to accept mine, I don't have to accept yours.
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IN RESPONSE TO THAT MUSIC VIDEO

THAT was a good time in the world when ONLINE poker Was not even a DREAM
to some.

When I could tell if the dealer was dealing dirty or not. There was no confussion or mental anguish.

THE MUSIC was good too.


ALSO

I have just finished a group of 10 SIT ANG GO's.

In my 21 ALL IN's I was Favoriate in 19.

THose I was not A favoriate in. ONE I WON. Ace KIng against TEN TEN.

THe 21 I was Favoriate in I won only 12. I was strong favoriate. THings such as KING KING against the small PAIR. Or Ace Ace against the ACE KING.

I felt terribly enraged until my ACE QUEEN beat the ACE KING different suits. Because I was not supposed to.

OverALL i broke even Becaue I became cautious towards the end and folded good hands I should not have because I wanted to FOLD INTO the money.

I folded JACK JACK late. THis makes me nervous.

SUSPECT. NOT FIXED OR RIGGED. THOUGH.

THANK YOU

ALSO.
The second TIme that Video PLays it is in SPAINISH? Why. I do not want some english woman singing over Celia Cruz however much her music sounds terrible to me. LET THE ORIGINAL SING PLEASE.
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Old 01-17-2010, 07:00 PM   #12225
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You said early on that you practically never do prop bets. I can see why: you don't accept them, you make counterprops.

That's OK in the prop world. You don't have to accept mine, I don't have to accept yours.

Seriously, is this all some elaborate Donko level type game? I miss the days when riggedologists genuinely thought the mafia was controlling the entropy effects. Simpler times.


You still have never posted your ID, you are a random unknown. Your word is worth exactly $0.

I don't do prop bets because most of the people who do them like this are just like you, whiny guys who will try to scam 5 or 50 bucks any way they can, and when very routine conditions are put up to ensure you will pay if you lose, all of a sudden the excuses start.

This is why it was a total waste of my time. My "counterprop" was only to ensure I got paid if you lost, nothing more. Give me a break, nobody will do the bet you want on your word that you will ever pay, but hey, good luck finding someone you can scam with your prop bets that you will never pay off if you lose. May be a good secondary source of income for you on top of that can collecting gig.

I'm tempted to do a prop bet about whether you actually have $50, but no way you will ever say your user ID here, so I will just wish you at this time...

All the best.

Dumbass.
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