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Old 01-12-2010, 03:50 PM   #11951
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FK for being so against the idea of some sites or players being rigged out there, you are all surely becoming conspiracy theorists. I am me I am who I am
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Old 01-12-2010, 04:12 PM   #11952
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Not even super spinach could help PokerProLv. I'd laugh at your name, but being that my name is somewhat similar I can't. Ahh, f@ck it! Yes I can! You have Pro in your name and I don't. So what's your real name, PRO? Or is it just professional dbag loser who likes to talk massive bull$hiT??


** Disclaimer: I'm no pro. I just gamble for a living.
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Old 01-12-2010, 04:15 PM   #11953
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No see I believe in sites being rigged cause its true.
This comment screams 'child' to me.
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Old 01-12-2010, 04:16 PM   #11954
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+1
You really don't know what +1 means, do you?

Clue: It is a nonsensical response in the context in which you used it.
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Old 01-12-2010, 04:17 PM   #11955
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Not even super spinach could help PokerProLv. I'd laugh at your name, but being that my name is somewhat similar I can't. Ahh, f@ck it! Yes I can! You have Pro in your name and I don't. So what's your real name, PRO? Or is it just professional dbag loser who likes to talk massive bull$hiT??


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My name is Benjamin Spock and I am from the planet of Vulcan.
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Old 01-12-2010, 04:20 PM   #11956
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When you complete ******S are ready for the truth you can PM me. This is a waste of my time.
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Old 01-12-2010, 04:28 PM   #11957
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My name is Benjamin Spock and I am from the planet of Vulcan.
Damn dude. I knew you was Vulcan. You guys have that mind-melding sht going on. Were you sitting too close to the toilet?

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Old 01-12-2010, 04:29 PM   #11958
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When you complete ******S are ready for the truth you can PM me. This is a waste of my time.
You +1'd a post saying you were a gimmick. Why would anyone PM you?
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:00 PM   #11959
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I haven't played enough to form a belief, but one thing I find troubling is the fact that there are simple technical tools these sites could eliminate any doubt of fraud, (simple to the developers of the software/computer scientists at least), and yet none of those tools are used by these sites. Why?

I just made another thread about those tools (hoping to keep "poker is rigged omg lol" debate out of that thread and in this one, just linking for reference as to what these tools are)
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-poker-683325/
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:11 PM   #11960
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Actually, this thread has not had a serious fake scientist in a while, so I hope you still around to discuss whatever thought experiment you think is meaningful.

Will distract from the weird over response to tks obvious gimmick account, which who cares if he verifies or not.
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:12 PM   #11961
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Just too hard for all you non RIGTARDS to believe that sites will shut down with no notice and steal everyones money. But they would NEVER do it in other ways..
You've certainly said many things which we'll have to mull over carefully. Your efforts were appreciated. Thanks for stopping by.
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:19 PM   #11962
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Every site claims to be regulated. And anyone can claim to be regulated. Doesn't mean much..
and anyone can claim to be a former employee of a poker site...
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just keep your mouth shut your bringing my intelligence level down
what's the meaning of irony again?

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Old 01-12-2010, 05:29 PM   #11963
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how does this thread have so many posts?
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Old 01-12-2010, 06:09 PM   #11964
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They should lock this thread and move on. Nothing is being accomplished here outside of some laughs.
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Old 01-12-2010, 06:14 PM   #11965
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They should lock this thread and move on. Nothing is being accomplished here outside of some laughs.
Donko, if nothing is being accomplished, with all due respect, its because rigtards refuse to move beyond the suspicion and motivations stage.
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:10 PM   #11966
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Donko, if nothing is being accomplished, with all due respect, its because rigtards refuse to move beyond the suspicion and motivations stage.
When there is suspicious activity, people cant move forward. This whole thread is full of non evidence in either direction. Spadebidder is the only person who has moved in the direction of providing some concrete evidence. Maybe that should have its own thread once it is finished and discussion starts about it.
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:23 PM   #11967
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When there is suspicious activity, people cant move forward.
That's nonsense. UB and AB scandals were uncovered precisely because players poured over their handhistories. Pitbull poker fell because of the fear of allowing access to handhistories. You're just making excuses. Most rigtards haven't even done the basics, let alone reached an impass. There are posters all over this site and ITT willing to help those interested figure out how to do more detailed analysis once they've exhausted what PT and HEM can do. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has blogged detailed instructions somewhere on the net. You wouldn't know though, because I doubt you've ever even tried to search for that kind of information. You convince yourself that its pointless since the sites have come up with an undetectable scheme in any event, so why bother?

You find me a post where rigtards have put forward anything other than cherrypicked handhistories, and untested theories.
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:24 PM   #11968
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When there is suspicious activity, people cant move forward. This whole thread is full of non evidence in either direction. Spadebidder is the only person who has moved in the direction of providing some concrete evidence. Maybe that should have its own thread once it is finished and discussion starts about it.
Honestly, in this case as with most conspiracy type stuff (and face it, all this is is a conspiracy light thread), paranoid people will always be suspicious, because that is their nature.

Spadebidder's efforts, which are impressive, will do nothing at all to change the "suspicious" feelings of riggedologists. Nothing will. Ever.

That is why this will never move forward. Ever. But that is why this thread is entertaining in a way.

This does not detract from his work, which will be very interesting to see when completed. I just hope he ignores the riggedologists who hit him with various superbot concepts or "how can we test to see if they rig tourneys to screw me... I mean players to be sure it is safe" theories.

Let those guys stay here forever where they belong musing about their suspicious beliefs. They have a place here, as do those who choose to laugh at their expense.

All the best.
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:24 PM   #11969
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Just too hard for all you non RIGTARDS to believe that sites will shut down with no notice and steal everyones money. But they would NEVER do it in other ways..
The correct term is "fairtards"
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:07 PM   #11970
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That's nonsense. UB and AB scandals were uncovered precisely because players poured over their handhistories. Pitbull poker fell because of the fear of allowing access to handhistories. You're just making excuses. Most rigtards haven't even done the basics, let alone reached an impass. There are posters all over this site and ITT willing to help those interested figure out how to do more detailed analysis once they've exhausted what PT and HEM can do. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has blogged detailed instructions somewhere on the net. You wouldn't know though, because I doubt you've ever even tried to search for that kind of information. You convince yourself that its pointless since the sites have come up with an undetectable scheme in any event, so why bother?

You find me a post where rigtards have put forward anything other than cherrypicked handhistories, and untested theories.
If this is such a real and heated subject, why hasnt anyone working for the sites or someone motivated by the reality of the situation put the rigtards in their place by putting some real evidence up on a site somewhere to show conclusively once and for all that online poker is 100% legit? These are the people who are most qualified or have the resources to do this.

When I came here for help, I told you guys that I was running very poorly late in tournaments when I was ahead in heads up situations. This was a simple and very specific scenario that my little non computer brain could see a problem with. I am under the impression that what I have on this is going to be too small of a sample. So running hand histories for hand distribution is worthless because the problem is not in the amount of AA KK QQs I am receiving, it is how I am running late after small balling and bluffing my way deep and finally gambling to try and have a shot at the final table. I dont think I need to be any more simple and clear about this, but things seem to get clouded up as discussion continues here.
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:14 PM   #11971
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The correct term is "fairtards"
I think Faithtards is better or Numtards
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:41 PM   #11972
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If this is such a real and heated subject, why hasnt anyone working for the sites or someone motivated by the reality of the situation put the rigtards in their place by putting some real evidence up on a site somewhere to show conclusively once and for all that online poker is 100% legit?
People would still believe its rigged.
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:42 PM   #11973
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They should lock this thread and move on. Nothing is being accomplished here outside of some laughs.
This thread started as a big merge of all the "rigged" threads that had no evidence. More of them start all the time, although less now that we have this thread. If we locked it, we'd just have a bunch of new threads just like it all over again.

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If this is such a real and heated subject, why hasnt anyone working for the sites or someone motivated by the reality of the situation put the rigtards in their place by putting some real evidence up on a site somewhere to show conclusively once and for all that online poker is 100% legit? These are the people who are most qualified or have the resources to do this.
Because this is nearly impossible. Let's say I own a poker site, and I publish the hole card distribution. Rigtard A then claims that he flops sets too often, so I show post-flop results. Rigtard B claims there is a new-deposit boomswitch and a cashout boomswitch, so I produce data about players winning and losing when they do each of these things. Rigtard C claims that shortstacks win too much in tournaments. And on and on and on and on it goes.

You're basically asking them to prove a negative, that poker isn't rigged. There are just way too many possibilities to make that realistic IMO.

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Old 01-12-2010, 09:38 PM   #11974
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I am new to 2+2 but have played live and OL for many years. I signed up to put my 2 cents in on the subject. The first thing that should grab your attention is the graph with results from voting poll, about 60% obviously think that it's rigged. I don't know why there are so many posts and views with only a hand full of votes comparably. The sites should pay attention and try to fix their image. (Wish they were ran on US soil we collected tax)

I have read through most of the thread and would get the idea that a lot of yes'rigged have a beef of some sort and probably still play, some should quit, delete all and go on. The no'rigged bunch sound like professional propaganda writers with something to gain or lose? Spadebidder has the data approach but it still can't answer the question. My expierence with OL makes me believe that it is rigged by the operating software making action and the deal is not as random as people try to say it is. I don't care that there are more hands per hour you will never see as many setup deals and the remaining players will almost allways connect with cards to make action (BS). Just watch some of the replay tables and see all of the cards, OMG there are aces on almost every hand rather it is full ring or down to 5,4,3 or HU just observe as you play. You couldn't make some of this happen with a deck of cards in a lifetime of shuffle and deal. (I still play, get sucked out on over and over as well as make donk calls and win, run my PP into aces you know the stuff that happens in poker)

This argument is something like Religion, UFO's, Politics and the moon landing ect. There is no end in sight and no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for most. For all the data techs out there, crunch this. Take 100 bucks a month to play poker with ups and downs, 100 bucks a month in the cookie jar at no interest, 100 bucks a month invested @ 5% and 100 bucks month played in the powerball over 20 years and see where the money is.

Good luck at the RIVER
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:08 PM   #11975
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Take 100 bucks a month to play poker with ups and downs, 100 bucks a month in the cookie jar at no interest, 100 bucks a month invested @ 5% and 100 bucks month played in the powerball over 20 years and see where the money is.
If it isn't playing poker, then you shouldn't be playing.
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