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Old 01-12-2010, 11:51 AM   #11901
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As I have stated in a couple of my [limited] previous posts, I think this forum is fantastic. The wealth of information, on a plethora of subjects is outstanding. I never intended to post, I am far more inclined to listen, and hopefully be entertained, but I suppose this subject intrigues anyone who plays online poker. I don't understand the utter venom displayed by people, calling people ******ed because they have a point of view that differs from your own, jumping on people who make typos, or grammatical errors. Arouet, you are someone who's posts have impressed me, you don't stoop down to explain, you acknowledge that there is no certainty either way, but the burden of proof is on those who think the sites cheat, and I believe that's the only way to approach it.
+1.

And for the record I can take a sarcastic remark or joke or whatever. But it seems a few people are here just to flame.

I do disagree with you about the burden of proof. As i stated in my first post I have played for 10 years and supported until very recently that online poker is not rigged.

My problem here is until it is regulated and can be pretty well proven that no cheating is going on, then alot of fish will stay away. Almost every fish I have met in live play believes online poker to be rigged. And until its well proven its not, that is action we will never see.
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:55 AM   #11902
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You have said you are an insider: do you have ANY evidence of wrongdoing other than a site taking in deposits shortly before shutting down?
Superuser accounts have existed on some sites, but the physical evidence is no longer there.
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:58 AM   #11903
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I find it interesting how people love to say online poker is rigged. I went to dinner the other night with some people. The husband goes on and on about how good of a poker player he is. He then proceeds to "educate" me on how online is rigged, bad beats etc. Then in his next breath he goes on and on about his last trip to Vegas and in a tournament he has AA, goes all-in and is called by 94 off suit. The other guy sucks out and he chalks it up to "that's poker". I wanted to reach across the table and slap that fool.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:00 PM   #11904
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I find it interesting how people love to say online poker is rigged. I went to dinner the other night with some people. The husband goes on and on about how good of a poker player he is. He then proceeds to "educate" me on how online is rigged, bad beats etc. Then in his next breath he goes on and on about his last trip to Vegas and in a tournament he has AA, goes all-in and is called by 94 off suit. The other guy sucks out and he chalks it up to "that's poker". I wanted to reach across the table and slap that fool.
You are right. That is exactly how your wsop tv watching chris moneymaker fans see it. But, they're plenty of serious players like myself who understand that rigging goes on.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:04 PM   #11905
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I have played for 10 years and supported until very recently that online poker is not rigged.
Can you see why you are coming across as such an idiot?

For ten years you think it's not rigged. Most of the non rigtards here only go as far as 'probably' isn't rigged.

Then, you do a complete volte face and start saying it is and berating anyone who disagrees with you.

fing halarious!

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My problem here is until it is regulated...
tk1133!

It IS you.

(Most sites are regulated, actually.)
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:05 PM   #11906
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But, they're plenty of serious ******s like myself who imagine that rigging goes on.
FYP.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:14 PM   #11907
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Can you see why you are coming across as such an idiot?

For ten years you think it's not rigged. Most of the non rigtards here only go as far as 'probably' isn't rigged.

Then, you do a complete volte face and start saying it is and berating anyone who disagrees with you.

fing halarious!



tk1133!

It IS you.

(Most sites are regulated, actually.)
Every site claims to be regulated. And anyone can claim to be regulated. Doesn't mean much..
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:16 PM   #11908
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FYP.
Manipulate my quotes its all you got. And super user accounts are not something that are imagined kid. Its reality!
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:22 PM   #11909
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As I have stated in a couple of my [limited] previous posts, I think this forum is fantastic. The wealth of information, on a plethora of subjects is outstanding. I never intended to post, I am far more inclined to listen, and hopefully be entertained, but I suppose this subject intrigues anyone who plays online poker. I don't understand the utter venom displayed by people, calling people ******ed because they have a point of view that differs from your own, jumping on people who make typos, or grammatical errors. Arouet, you are someone who's posts have impressed me, you don't stoop down to explain, you acknowledge that there is no certainty either way, but the burden of proof is on those who think the sites cheat, and I believe that's the only way to approach it.
While I appreciate your comments it should not be overlooked that many of these posters who call others ******ed have provided a WEALTH of information in this thread on how to analyze your stats, what you should look for in trying to figure out if rigging is going on, ways to think about the game, statistics, variance, etc. While I perhaps have a more diplomatic tone in my little tidbits here, they are the one's who have provided the real useful information in this thread.

What you are seeing in their more biting comments is their frustration in providing the same explanations over and over again, only to be completely ignored by most rigtards. Look at the most recent exchange with Donko: he's been told that his sample is more than enough to give a decent idea of what is going on and he still makes excuses for not actually looking at his hands.

Look at this latest guy: Pokerprolv. If we take him at his word, he's a poker insider and despite that all he can provide is the same gut feeling that things aren't right.

Do your self a favour: read through this thread, filter through the junk, and focus on Josem, QPW, Spadebidder, and Monteroy's posts (I'm sure I've missed a few). Then look at how many rigtards have followed their advice.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:24 PM   #11910
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Superuser accounts have existed on some sites, but the physical evidence is no longer there.
Usernames? Names of the sites?
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:29 PM   #11911
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Harry Potter - Hogwartz Poker
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:33 PM   #11912
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Every site claims to be regulated. And anyone can claim to be regulated. Doesn't mean much..
Which just goes to demonstrate how lame your: "My problem here is until it is regulated..." is.

First you say: "My problem here is until it is regulated..."

Then you state that regulation doesn't mean much.


So:

1) Sites are regulated.
2) You don't believe regulation means much
3) You want sites to be regulated.

Even for a ******, that's ******ed.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:34 PM   #11913
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Pwned!
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:37 PM   #11914
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Manipulate my quotes its all you got.
It really is you, isn't it tk1133.

You are using your signature ploy of posting outright lies that can be easily disproved simply by reading the thread.

Your really are a complete waste of space, aren't you?

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And super user accounts are not something that are imagined kid.
I know.

I have really super-duper user accounts at a couple of sites. They let me play poker and make lots of money from ******s like you.

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Whose reality?
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:37 PM   #11915
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Harry Potter - Hogwartz Poker
It seems that responding to you seriously has the same effect as calling you a ******.

Quarantined, do you see now where the frustration comes from?
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:38 PM   #11916
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OK, you've had your fun.

Now why not turn off your daddy's computer and put it away so that he doesn't get cross with you when he gets home?
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:40 PM   #11917
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It seems that responding to you seriously has the same effect as calling you a ******.
You see why with some posters I just take a shortcut?

I think PokerProLv will be in hot water when his father finds out what he's been doing.
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:32 PM   #11918
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Which just goes to demonstrate how lame your: "My problem here is until it is regulated..." is.

First you say: "My problem here is until it is regulated..."

Then you state that regulation doesn't mean much.


So:

1) Sites are regulated.
2) You don't believe regulation means much
3) You want sites to be regulated.

Even for a ******, that's ******ed.
Ive seen plenty of regulated sites run off and take peoples money. Just keep your mouth shut your bringing my intelligence level down
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:34 PM   #11919
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It really is you, isn't it tk1133.

You are using your signature ploy of posting outright lies that can be easily disproved simply by reading the thread.

Your really are a complete waste of space, aren't you?



I know.

I have really super-duper user accounts at a couple of sites. They let me play poker and make lots of money from ******s like you.



Whose reality?
You play descent limits? I would love to play you at the 25.00 50.00 nl and show you what a sucker you really are in front of the whole board
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:36 PM   #11920
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You know the debate is intelligent when it comes down to HU4Rollz!!

A similar resolution could be achieved by a contest of johnson measuring.
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:39 PM   #11921
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Rigtards:
1. It is possible and easy to rig online poker
2. It has already been done
3. The incentive to make money will always drive someone to find a way to cheat
4. Regulated sites have already cheated players and ran off with their money
5. There is no consquence for stealing players money

******s:
You cant say online poker is rigged if you dont have proof.


WELL LISTEN UP ******S- No one proved it exactly when it was happening in the past. Just cause it hasnt come out again yet doesnt mean crap.
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:39 PM   #11922
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You know the debate is intelligent when it comes down to HU4Rollz!!

A similar resolution could be achieved by a contest of johnson measuring.
+1
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:42 PM   #11923
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Ive seen plenty of regulated sites run off and take peoples money.
R-i-g-h-t.

So you admit that regulation is not some panacea?

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... your bringing my intelligence level down
Is that even possible?

It seems to have pretty much bottomed out already.
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:44 PM   #11924
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R-i-g-h-t.

So you admit that regulation is not some panacea?



Is that even possible?

It seems to have pretty much bottomed out already.
-1 IQ

Gee thanks for the comment.
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:44 PM   #11925
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your bringing my intelligence level down
I tried to resist, but I can't let the irony of this go.
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