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Old 01-08-2010, 06:47 PM   #11726
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Im saying that it can be rigged...but what I sad is going to be forget
So are you saying that the pokersite could find a reason to manipulate the outcomes in the short term to serve their own purposes for the long term? This could be interesting to me.

You could probably weed out a lot of undesirables while developing players who are desirable due to their patterns. Players could be ranked by profitability to the site.

As a for instance. Player A plays 10 tables, plays 50 hours a week and generates x amount of dollars for the site monthly. Lets make sure he or she never goes away. He is going to get on two plus two and tell people that they are crazy for thinking poker is rigged.

Player B plays 30 hours a week, never plays more than a few tables at a time and is generally an ass in the chat. He even complains to support regularly. Lets rank this player much lower, maybe even doomswitch him to a point of forcing him to go somewhere else before he reaches enough hands to get to the long haul.

Now if they creatively rotated this around keeping who they want to keep by boomswitching them, and then doomswitching who they dont want while also keeping everyone else somewhere in between, it doesnt matter how many hands you analyse, the site has covered it ass and can just say "Variance".

I know about all of the questions related to why they would do this and how could they get away with it. If it cant be found in the hand histories, then the only way it is going to get out is if an ex employee is going to leak it. I am not convinced that an ex employee would have the balls to cash a big or medium site in. That may put a big target on the persons back or family members back. You dont mess with someone's money, especially if we are talking about big money. Even if the persons life would not be in danger, they may very well think it is due to the sheer scope of what they would be bringing to light.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:16 PM   #11727
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Its rigged for rake
so if we know this then how can we use this information against all the non believers
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:24 PM   #11728
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Its rigged for rake
so if we know this then how can we use this information against all the non believers
You would have to know how it is rigged so that you could make some adjustments to your approach. I dont think that a site would make their rig so simple to allow that to happen.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:26 PM   #11729
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You would have to know how it is rigged so that you could make some adjustments to your approach. I dont think that a site would make their rig so simple to allow that to happen.
well for one i think short stacks def have an advantage at ALL IN situations
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:28 PM   #11730
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well for one i think short stacks def have an advantage at ALL IN situations
Are you talking about in cash or tournament? I see the opposite in tournaments.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:30 PM   #11731
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doesnt make a diffrence
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:35 PM   #11732
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well for one i think short stacks def have an advantage at ALL IN situations
Sounds like something that would be pretty easy to test for.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:35 PM   #11733
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doesnt make a diffrence
If something is happening, and I am not convinced in either direction on this debate, it is going to be more complex in my opinion because the math guys could easily test for this.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:38 PM   #11734
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really then wheres the stats?
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:58 PM   #11735
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really then wheres the stats?
You tell us, you're the one making assertions. Believe it or not, those of us who haven't seen an issue with short stacks winning too many all-ins don't go around testing for it.
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Old 01-08-2010, 09:18 PM   #11736
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Well I'm no math wiz and I don't have the stats but isn't it logical that a site wouldn't want ppl to go broke?
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Old 01-08-2010, 09:38 PM   #11737
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Well I'm no math wiz and I don't have the stats but isn't it logical that a site wouldn't want ppl to go broke?
Sure sites don't want players to go broke, but they also have an interest in keeping the game going. Spreading an honest game helps them maintain that.
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Old 01-08-2010, 10:34 PM   #11738
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Well I'm no math wiz and I don't have the stats but isn't it logical that a site wouldn't want ppl to go broke?
So you've concluded that the site is rigging things just because you think it is logical that they would. That's it? Seriously??

Sigh.
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Old 01-08-2010, 10:41 PM   #11739
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Are you talking about in cash or tournament? I see the opposite in tournaments.
Off course it is. PS and FTP want the tourney over ASAP. So they can get more players back at the tables and more entries.
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Old 01-08-2010, 11:15 PM   #11740
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So the last little bit has generated the beliefs that

- It is logical it is rigged because they do not want players to lose too fast

and

- It is logical it is rigged by sites for players to lose faster so they will spend their balance quicker.


Spade, can you test for these please.
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Old 01-08-2010, 11:56 PM   #11741
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Off course it is. PS and FTP want the tourney over ASAP. So they can get more players back at the tables and more entries.
You know what would speed up tourneys, raising the blinds every hand. Call them super-duper turbos.
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Old 01-09-2010, 12:26 AM   #11742
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I am new to posting, and in actuality fairly new to this forum, but I have read with great interest, a number of the threads in this site, and certainly this particular one. I play both at FT, and PS. I have only had to deposit once on both sites, around $100 on each, and in four years of playing I have withdrawn in the neighbourhood of $15,000. No big deal by the lofty standards of all the great players on 2+2 but I'm only a recreational player. In terms of these sites being rigged, the bottom line is, who knows , it's much like thinking a politician is dishonest ,until you catch them , they get the benefit of the doubt. But you would have to be delusional to think the possibility doesn't exist.
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Old 01-09-2010, 01:45 AM   #11743
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I am new to posting, and in actuality fairly new to this forum, but I have read with great interest, a number of the threads in this site, and certainly this particular one. I play both at FT, and PS. I have only had to deposit once on both sites, around $100 on each, and in four years of playing I have withdrawn in the neighbourhood of $15,000. No big deal by the lofty standards of all the great players on 2+2 but I'm only a recreational player. In terms of these sites being rigged, the bottom line is, who knows , it's much like thinking a politician is dishonest ,until you catch them , they get the benefit of the doubt. But you would have to be delusional to think the possibility doesn't exist.
No you're wrong.

I fail to understand how a poker site can juice the decks and rig the game with all the datamining and programs like PT and HEM. If these sites were doing this then those stats wouldn't add up over massive samples and we would see statistical anomalies.

Funny thing is, I'm yet to see someone post ANY clear evidence online poker is rigged.

Though it feels like no matter what anyone says to these people who are hell bent on slandering online pokers reputation they won't won't listen.. Unbelievable
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Old 01-09-2010, 01:50 AM   #11744
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So the last little bit has generated the beliefs that

- It is logical it is rigged because they do not want players to lose too fast

and

- It is logical it is rigged by sites for players to lose faster so they will spend their balance quicker.


Spade, can you test for these please.
Confirmed, both true.
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:39 AM   #11745
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i would like to say that online poker is rigged for the new year
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:23 AM   #11746
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... But you would have to be delusional to think the possibility doesn't exist.
I'm pretty much 100% certain that no one has ever said or implied that the possibility does not exist.

There's a possibility that the sun will rise somewhere on earth tomorrow.

There's a possibility that the entire run of Star Wars is an accurate, historical, portrayal of events somewhere in the universe.

The probability that on-line poker is rigged lies somewhere between the probabilities of the above two events being true.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:10 AM   #11747
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We need Jesse "The Body" Ventura to investigate this....I heard he proved Pro Wrestling was fake....
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:18 AM   #11748
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Off course it is. PS and FTP want the tourney over ASAP. So they can get more players back at the tables and more entries.
ah ha! So you do post in this thread. Somehow that doesn't surprise me, but I'm happy to confirm my thoughts on you.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:26 AM   #11749
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I'm quite certain I didn't state online poker is rigged, so save your ridiculous analogies for the 'rigtards' you belittle on a regular basis. Thx to the diligence of some very persistent people,there have been scandals cracked. Although if the people cheating at Ub, and Ap had not been overly greedy, those probably would have been ongoing as well. I have no particular axe to grind, nor do I want to debate some pimply faced kid who gets off on scouring poker forums to slam people's opinions. I merely wanted to add my opinion, which is, without proof, one must give any entity the benefit of the doubt. On a side note, articbeatle I have followed your quest with interest.best of luck
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Is tournament poker rigged? Has there been any analysis done on tournament hand histories?
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