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Old 12-29-2009, 02:31 AM   #11551
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this debate saddens me everyone knows that with online poker that some nights u r the fker and other nights you get butt fked. Its only fair i mean no ones arse was built to be pounded every night
You are bound for literary greatness.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:32 AM   #11552
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Same rigged cycle as always.
Go to deposit on Stars but see that I still have a pending cashout from 12-23 (does it usually take 5 days to process a cashout?) so I canceled it.
Got off to a good start and made 300 bucks grinding.
Logged back on after an hour break and made another quick 200 bucks.
Doom Switch time ensues and I am hit by cooler after cooler quickly reducing my bankroll back to my initial cashout request I made 12-23.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:37 AM   #11553
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When you get hit with a wave of hands like this you really start to wonder

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+2: $192.45
Hero (MP1): $179.50
MP2: $221.35
CO: $51.55
BTN: $141.00
SB: $206.90
BB: $40.00
UTG: $203.00
UTG+1: $331.90

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP1 with 2 3 A A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, UTG+2 calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 5 folds, UTG+1 raises to $331.90 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls $169.50 all in

Flop: ($364.00) 4 7 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($364.00) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($364.00) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $364.00
Hero shows 2 3 A A (HI: two pair, Aces and Sevens)
UTG+1 shows A 2 7 Q (HI: three of a kind, Sevens)
UTG+1 wins $361.00
(Rake: $3.00)
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:26 AM   #11554
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Same rigged cycle as always.
Go to deposit on Stars but see that I still have a pending cashout from 12-23 (does it usually take 5 days to process a cashout?) so I canceled it.
Got off to a good start and made 300 bucks grinding.
Logged back on after an hour break and made another quick 200 bucks.
Doom Switch time ensues and I am hit by cooler after cooler quickly reducing my bankroll back to my initial cashout request I made 12-23.
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When you get hit with a wave of hands like this you really start to wonder

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+2: $192.45
Hero (MP1): $179.50
MP2: $221.35
CO: $51.55
BTN: $141.00
SB: $206.90
BB: $40.00
UTG: $203.00
UTG+1: $331.90

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP1 with 2 3 A A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, UTG+2 calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 5 folds, UTG+1 raises to $331.90 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls $169.50 all in

Flop: ($364.00) 4 7 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($364.00) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($364.00) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $364.00
Hero shows 2 3 A A (HI: two pair, Aces and Sevens)
UTG+1 shows A 2 7 Q (HI: three of a kind, Sevens)
UTG+1 wins $361.00
(Rake: $3.00)
Why do you keep playing when you are obviously jinxed (a.k.a. 'The Universe is Rigged Against You')?
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:50 AM   #11555
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I doubt that we ever see a analyse that show poker is rigged or poker is random..its simple a bit to complex to analyse random or rigged 100%.

At sample i see that on a few sites 70 K hands with 20bb / 100 happens and on other sites there is noone that have this result.

Is it a manipulation ?
Is site A prefer players, or site B balance the games for more RAKE ?
Or is it simple that on site A are extreme great players and site B dont have them ?
Or site A have simple a few big rich fishes.

If you find a reason to play money , entertainment, fun simple play if not let it be. Myself play only a few hours per month in todays games, it was never entertainment for me and i simple dont win enough in todays games.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:39 PM   #11556
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Same rigged cycle as always.
Go to deposit on Stars but see that I still have a pending cashout from 12-23 (does it usually take 5 days to process a cashout?) so I canceled it.
Got off to a good start and made 300 bucks grinding.
Logged back on after an hour break and made another quick 200 bucks.
Doom Switch time ensues and I am hit by cooler after cooler quickly reducing my bankroll back to my initial cashout request I made 12-23.
You cant figure out how to break the cycle? Here's the cheat code i use.


Step one. Deposit on a new site or site you haven't played on in a while.

Step two. Run up mad money with your skills.

Step three. Cash out.

Step four. Profit, get hookers and coke, go back to step one and repeat.

Last edited by batair; 12-29-2009 at 05:43 PM. Reason: Its full-proof but dont tell anyone because they will fix their riggedness deposit withdraw flaw if to many catch on.
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:10 PM   #11557
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Why do you keep playing when you are obviously jinxed (a.k.a. 'The Universe is Rigged Against You')?
I think he is now into imitating that K12 guy or whatever his name is who kept posting single bad beats like AQ beating KK (which his Omaha beat is the equivalent of).

His hand he had 71% equity, so apparently a single hand losing as a 7-3 favorite in terms of equity proves it is rigged. Or something. All of the hands he won before then of course are ignored. Maybe they were setup hands. Or something.

Would be nice if it was actually rigged against him since any rigging based on punishing people throwing whiny little hissy fits when they lose a marginal bad beat would meet my approval.

Ban him if he makes this his whiny bad beat blog like that other guy did. Seems that's where he is now.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:45 AM   #11558
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I'm still not 100% convinced that BucketFoot is not an anti-rigtard who is posting the most animal stupid things just to make the rigtards appear all the worse.

Good Lord, he even makes tk1133 and smears look, if not actually intelligent, at least less moronic than they otherwise would.
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:44 AM   #11559
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Monteroy, qpw, you guys still in here slugging out the same debate? It gets harder and harder to think you guys are not getting paid for it.
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:45 AM   #11560
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Actually nevermind. No one would even take the job. You must do it for the love.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:51 PM   #11561
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Monteroy, qpw, you guys still in here slugging out the same debate? It gets harder and harder to think you guys are not getting paid for it.
Can't answer for Monteroy but there are long gaps where I don't post.

A lot of the time it just strikes me as amusing.

Particularly people like tk1133 and smears( r4r, etc) who keep coming here and bending over.
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Old 12-30-2009, 01:34 PM   #11562
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I have said several times I post here at times for my amusement and to see what amusing things I can coax out of riggedologists.


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Monteroy, qpw, you guys still in here slugging out the same debate? It gets harder and harder to think you guys are not getting paid for it.
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Actually nevermind. No one would even take the job. You must do it for the love.
Yeah, like this stuff, though this is kind of relatively mundane. Not everyone can be creative, but once in a while a nice juicy deeply paranoid superbot theory will appear from the mist.

That's why I get disappointed when riggedologists cave in and start posting dull single bad beats, that just means they have given up the fight of being creative in their beliefs.
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Old 12-30-2009, 01:54 PM   #11563
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I have said several times I post here at times for my amusement and to see what amusing things I can coax out of riggedologists.
I have a come up with a bunch of spoof weird theories.

Maybe I should open a gimmick account and post them.
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Old 12-30-2009, 04:42 PM   #11564
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I have a come up with a bunch of spoof weird theories.

Maybe I should open a gimmick account and post them.
If you are going to do this, you are going to need to cover your tracks:

-Post in some of the other threads for a few weeks before coming into this one so that you have some history built up.
-Post from a different computer and a different IP address
-Change your writing style

No one will ever know it is you. Then you can let the cat out of the bag at the most opportune time to leave egg on everyones face. lol!

Good luck, happy hunting.
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Old 12-30-2009, 05:09 PM   #11565
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QPW, I'm sure you already have a gimmick account. But that's beside that point...


I am willing to trade "alliances" with you, for any amount of time you choose(I'll suggest "by posts"), starting when you'd like. I'll be anti-rigged and you'll be pro rigged....
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Old 12-30-2009, 06:12 PM   #11566
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QPW, I'm sure you already have a gimmick account. But that's beside that point...
This whole thread is "Gimmick"
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:19 PM   #11567
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QPW, I'm sure you already have a gimmick account. But that's beside that point...
Don't judge everyone else by your own standards.

I'd love to know, though, if you believe I have a gimmick account do you think it is pro or anti 'rigged'?
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Old 12-31-2009, 04:51 PM   #11568
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I've always thought online poker to be fair and square. As a winning player on Stars, I've taken my share of lumps with sick bad beats, but always finished off up at the end of the week. I took $20, and turned it to almost 3k on Stars in a year. I would always argue that online poker is not rigged.

Then I deposited on Full Tilt. $100. In two weeks of 5NL, I earned out my $100 bonus, and made $50 in rakeback. I played my same solid TAG game as I did on Stars.

$250 total invested with deposit and bonuses. Current Bankroll= $137. Yes, I'm up in $$, but down well over $100 playing 5NL. Never once on Stars did I go down from my all time high more than $80 playing up to 25NL.

I consider myself a solid player. I'm WAY up in live poker over the years, and obviuously, on Stars. On FTP, I have never seen so many sick losses come my way. It got to be amusing after a while--when I got past the point of being annoyed by a cooler of beats. I don't figure I'll repeat a Stars-like run on FTP. I'll continue to play my TAG, and I'll be hoping to prove myself wrong here. But I have my doubts about FTP. It's almost as if they want their bonus $$ back before I'm allowed to actually win a few hands.

Good day!
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Old 12-31-2009, 05:14 PM   #11569
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Well I still think that turn and river cards are somehow informed by the flop at stars. I've been playing there off and on for years and each session it seems like so many straight/flush cards hit that turn and river. I cannot be imagining this. This last month I have played a lot of live poker and it literally feels weird to see bricks often hit the turn and river. I flopped trips live the other day from the blinds and was able to bet 3 streets of value. Three streets! I don't believe that has ever happened to me on stars. Flopping trips is like walking a plank on stars.

I have come to the conclusion that either stars turn and river cards are informed by the flop or I have some kind of psychic connection with the client, combined with self defeatist intentions because what single card I do not want to come has about a 70% chance of hitting the turn.
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Old 12-31-2009, 05:26 PM   #11570
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Well I still think that turn and river cards are somehow informed by the flop at stars. I've been playing there off and on for years and each session it seems like so many straight/flush cards hit that turn and river. I cannot be imagining this. This last month I have played a lot of live poker and it literally feels weird to see bricks often hit the turn and river. I flopped trips live the other day from the blinds and was able to bet 3 streets of value. Three streets! I don't believe that has ever happened to me on stars. Flopping trips is like walking a plank on stars.

I have come to the conclusion that either stars turn and river cards are informed by the flop or I have some kind of psychic connection with the client, combined with self defeatist intentions because what single card I do not want to come has about a 70% chance of hitting the turn.
You rigtards write stuff like this and then act indignant when people like spade, qpw and monteroy tear it apart. It's getting harder and harder to believe you guys aren't paid by anti-online poker groups to disparage online poker.
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Old 01-01-2010, 11:05 AM   #11571
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Well I still think that turn and river cards are somehow informed by the flop at stars. I've been playing there off and on for years and each session it seems like so many straight/flush cards hit that turn and river. I cannot be imagining this.
1) Use pokertracker to confirm that you are not imagining this
2) Chase draws accordingly and make lots of easy money
3) Provide proof of your results and make the "shills" look like arrogant, gullible fools (optional)

Or does continuing with your pathetic whining sound like a better option to you?
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Old 01-03-2010, 04:49 PM   #11572
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I've always thought online poker to be fair and square. As a winning player on Stars, I've taken my share of lumps with sick bad beats, but always finished off up at the end of the week. I took $20, and turned it to almost 3k on Stars in a year. I would always argue that online poker is not rigged.

Then I deposited on Full Tilt. $100. In two weeks of 5NL, I earned out my $100 bonus, and made $50 in rakeback. I played my same solid TAG game as I did on Stars.

$250 total invested with deposit and bonuses. Current Bankroll= $137. Yes, I'm up in $$, but down well over $100 playing 5NL. Never once on Stars did I go down from my all time high more than $80 playing up to 25NL.

I consider myself a solid player. I'm WAY up in live poker over the years, and obviuously, on Stars. On FTP, I have never seen so many sick losses come my way. It got to be amusing after a while--when I got past the point of being annoyed by a cooler of beats. I don't figure I'll repeat a Stars-like run on FTP. I'll continue to play my TAG, and I'll be hoping to prove myself wrong here. But I have my doubts about FTP. It's almost as if they want their bonus $$ back before I'm allowed to actually win a few hands.

Good day!

At Ft 20-25 BB / 100 over 100 K hands are possible so a few loose high.
Stars is more balancing the games.

Both systems increase the rake, FT try to get new players with this emotional rush big ups and downs. Stars hold all players at the table.



Simple if you dont win dont play...or pay for entertainment like 95%
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Old 01-03-2010, 07:58 PM   #11573
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Yeah online poker is definately rigged.

People who play in a style which is sure to lose are always more lucky. And the way they hit the cards its just unbelivable. Always its like they make a set, a full house, straight even quads. Its so obvious and ridic really.

Im new to poker and wonder has it always been like this? What can us players who notice this do?
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Old 01-03-2010, 08:26 PM   #11574
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Yeah online poker is definately rigged.

People who play in a style which is sure to lose are always more lucky.
Of course. If one gets their money in with the worst hand they are going to get 'lucky' more often. Its hard to get lucky if you have the best hand.

And the way they hit the cards its just unbelivable.
How so?

Always its like they make a set, a full house, straight even quads. Its so obvious and ridic really.

What's obvious?

Im new to poker and wonder has it always been like this?
Poker is like this whether you play live or online

What can us players who notice this do?
Notice what? If you're saying that players are hitting draws at a frequency that doesn't match with the expected percentages you have a couple options. 1) You can provide proof here. 2.) Not play online poker.
I probably got leveled.
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Old 01-03-2010, 08:47 PM   #11575
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I probably got leveled.
Yeah, I was starting to reply, then I thought this is probably QPW or Monty...
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